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    I don't smoke herbal myself, but I do think herbal can help many people with serious illnesses. For example, some cancer patients do not react well to pain meds like Norco. But they can tolerate weed for the pain. Plus, weed is not addictive. I guess docs are either trying to or have developed weed pills instead of sparking up blunts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abner View Post
    I don't smoke herbal myself, but I do think herbal can help many people with serious illnesses. For example, some cancer patients do not react well to pain meds like Norco. But they can tolerate weed for the pain. Plus, weed is not addictive. I guess docs are either trying to or have developed weed pills instead of sparking up blunts.
    Sure, Marinol was one such and came out years ago. But they don't work as well for some reason or another, probably because the cannabis plant has many active compounds and the pills they make only include delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveFoerster View Post
    Sure, Marinol was one such and came out years ago. But they don't work as well for some reason or another, probably because the cannabis plant has many active compounds and the pills they make only include delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol.
    Ah, ok. some people are giving weed to their dogs for such things as arthritis and claim it helps. I wouldn't recommend it though because it really hasn't been tested yet. I told my conservative brother that people should be allowed to use weed for medical purposes, but he still did not like the idea. I don't get it. If you have something like cancer, people should be able to use whatever works for the pain without being hassled by the feds.
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    Just heard today. Justin Trudeau's promise of legalizing marijuana in Canada is coming along nicely, so his acolytes say. There will be a major announcement on Apr. 10th and the legalization date that's being bandied around is Canada Day (July 1) 2018. Police are still raiding dispensaries etc. and I guess they will till the day legalization is here. I guess we might get some details April 10th on how/where it might be sold, taxed, administered etc. I don't think it's gonna work as designed. Right now, half the tobacco-cigarettes smoked in this province are contraband / untaxed and there's been no measurable success against this - billions lost annually.

    Neither the Government nor private sellers will ever make a dollar off me from pot ... but yes, it should be available legally (and not taxed) for medical use. I don't really care, but perhaps they should do it like booze: people could grow and prepare a quantity of their own marijuana (as they can with beer and wine) but selling any is a no-no. No tax on home-grown. Tax on manufacture and sale of commercially-made product, as with all liquor and store-bought beer and wine.

    I just have an awful feeling that the Government will completely screw it up.... I have no confidence in any Government, including my own. I'm mild and lazy about it, though. Hunch my shoulders and wait for the next blow.

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    I live in Illinois which, if you don't know, is broke. Flat ass broke. They are now turning to marijuana legalization as a means to generate an estimated $350 - $700 million in revenue.

    Illinois lawmakers propose legalizing recreational marijuana - Chicago Tribune

    I support it (even though I don't intend to use it and most of my fellow Illinoisans support it as well:

    http://paulsimoninstitute.siu.edu/_c...-marijuana.pdf

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    I have never met a violent pot head. I have met plenty of dudes who get pretty violent after drinking hard liquor like Jack Daniels. Out of the two, I would rather deal with a pot head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abner View Post
    I have never met a violent pot head. I have met plenty of dudes who get pretty violent after drinking hard liquor like Jack Daniels. Out of the two, I would rather deal with a pot head.
    If I recall correctly, Bruce has made a similar observation.
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    Well it was just legalized in Massachusetts but no stores have opened up yet. There's some funny grey-area stuff going on where it's legal to have it/smoke it/grow it but illegal to sell it (without a license?) but it's ok to gift it to someone. So you've got these weird little transactions going on where I give you a gift of pot and you give me a gift of cash. I'm still waiting to see what the cultural shifts will look like.
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    Since it was legalized in Colorado the black market has just about disappeared. Although there have been a few cases of illegal growers trying to send it out of state.

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    Colorado has also seen a decline in deaths from opiate overdoses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveFoerster View Post
    Colorado has also seen a decline in deaths from opiate overdoses.

    Legalizing Marijuana Decreases Fatal Opiate Overdoses, Study Shows
    That's good. I would rather see people smoking a little weed, rather than doing fentanal (misspelled, too lazy to look it up) laced heroin. I guess fentanyl is a elephant tranquilzer.

    Forgive the misspelling. Too early in the morning, not enough coffee yet, and I don't do spell check.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abner
    I guess fentanyl is a elephant tranquilzer.
    Not by design - but it'll probably do the job. It's a synthetic opioid, used in hospitals for pain relief. Said to be stronger than heroin - and addictive as any opioid.
    Popular and widely sold to addicts. Unpredictable and overdose stats are going through the roof. Many deaths. Also carfentanil - 10,000 times stronger than morphine. A lot of that is manufactured (cheaply) in China and smuggled into US by criminals...

    I've heard that some unscrupulous suppliers in China are willing to break carfentanil shipments to US into small packages to be below the radar for postal inspection etc. It's apparently legal to manufacture & sell in China and some have been very open in their offers to do this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johann View Post
    Not by design - but it'll probably do the job. It's a synthetic opioid, used in hospitals for pain relief. Said to be stronger than heroin - and addictive as any opioid.
    Fentanyl is a very powerful synthetic opiod, originally developed for people with Stage 4 cancer. It comes in a transdermal patch, much like the nicotine patch for people quitting cigarettes. It didn't take long for the addicts to realize that they could get sky-high by chewing the patches, and then for the drug peddlers to figure out how to manufacture it.

    The great majority of fatal opiod OD's that we're seeing are from fentanyl-laced heroin, or straight fentanyl sold as heroin. The really bad thing is that Narcan (the opiod antidote) works much more slowly and less effectively with the synthetics (fentanyl, dilaudid, etc.) than with real opiates. Even if emergency personnel get to an overdose in time, the victim needs intraveneous Narcan, and in very high doses, to effectively counteract the synthetics.
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    A while back Anthony Bourdain did one of his shows in Greenfield, MA. It's a old mill town with huge economic problems and a massive heroin problem. It was a real eye-opener. The heroin problem - addiction, overdosing, lack of treatment/suboxone programs, etc. is epidemic here. Everybody knows people who've died from that shit and as Bruce said, Fentanyl is a big part of it. I don't know what it's all about at it's core but this article (and I guess there's some research behind it) suggests that it's about despair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizmet View Post
    A while back Anthony Bourdain did one of his shows in Greenfield, MA. It's a old mill town with huge economic problems and a massive heroin problem. It was a real eye-opener. The heroin problem - addiction, overdosing, lack of treatment/suboxone programs, etc. is epidemic here. Everybody knows people who've died from that shit and as Bruce said, Fentanyl is a big part of it. I don't know what it's all about at it's core but this article (and I guess there's some research behind it) suggests that it's about despair.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/09/o...tyle.html?_r=0
    Despair. Okey-dokey.

    Maybe what is needed is some international perspective. Let's see: when I was growing up back home in the 90ies, we went through collapse of the Soviet system; rampant crime; major nuclear power plant catastrophe; food shortages; confiscatory currency reform; hyperinflation up to 10000% a year; and slow transition to a corrupt semi-democracy. And, oh yeah, deindustrialization as well, with miners and plant workers going months without salaries. And this is a country that still retained running water and electricity and high rates of school enrollments; we thought we dodged the bullet avoiding widespread violence... until 2014-present Russo-Ukrainian War. So it is slightly hard to sympathize with folks in Greenfield, MA, with their slightly lower than average median income and slightly higher than average poverty rate.
    At least the afflicted whites started responding like similar folks do in Ukraine: voting grotesque crooks into high offices. Other outlet was voting for the Communist Party, but that is dying down (in part, literally).
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