Sarah Palin: Black Lives Matter is a 'farce'

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  1. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    Then you have dip stick here opening up her mouth again:

    Sarah Palin: Black Lives Matter is a 'farce' - CNNPolitics.com

    "Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin says the Black Lives Matter movement is a "farce" and said Americans who hyphenate their racial backgrounds -- such as African-Americans and Asian-Americans -- "further divide our nation."

    "She continued, "Self-descriptions that put any race in front of being an American are now used to further divide our nation. It's time to acknowledge you're either an American under our system of equality, law and order - and traditional patriotic spirit - or you're not. nock off the hyphenation of who we are. And knock off the shoulder chip if you've let 'leaders' burden you with it through their example that sadly capitalizes on division for untoward purposes. That chip is crushing the people's hope."


    Another lunatic whose ideas are dying on the vines. People see right through this kind of crap now.
     
  2. Maxwell_Smart

    Maxwell_Smart Active Member

    I'm no fan of Palin, but sorry Abner, she made a number of good points.

    One, Black Lives Matter is a very confused, racist movement run by people with poor emotional intelligence and a lack of basic reasoning skills. If the whole idea is to stand up in opposition to police brutality against specifically black men who tend to be the victims in most cases where black people are the victims of police violence, you'd never know it by reading their own site's guiding principles:

    Guiding Principles | Black Lives Matter

    What on EARTH does the gay and transgender agenda have to do with... BLACK MEN AND WOMEN BEING THE VICTIMS OF POLICE BRUTALITY? Nothing, obviously, and when you start to look into the backgrounds of some of these "leaders" and protesters you start to find a number of them were Women's Studies majors and other useless majors with mixed up agendas where these things creep in, so no surprise the very movement would have a confused identity.

    Two, BLM is backed by George Soros, a piece of human filth that is always out in front of any social experiment that seeks to further divide people. That right there should be a red flag to any awake person.

    Three, you rarely and perhaps never hear the term "Scandinavian-American" or any number of background locales being used to describe White people in America, they're just called Americans. The need to hyphenate is rooted more in the racial division of the past that people can't let go of, and the need to constantly label everything.

    When I think of great Civil Rights movements, I think of REAL leaders who understood the issues and could speak with measure and eloquence like Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, etc., not these yelling buffoons running this joke of an organization called Black Lives Matter. They are NOT leaders, they are miseducated clowns and a lot of Black people do NOT support them. The problem is, if one speaks out they get attacked by BLM and the presstitute media holding this trainwreck up.

    I refuse to support any agenda and any so-called leadership the media puts in front of me and tells me this is good for me. I look at what they produce and judge them based on that, and BLM has produced nothing of substance.
     
  3. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member


    Thanks Max! I find your opinion quite telling. I of course disagree with your comments. Enough said on that.
     
  4. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    We may be at a turning point in our society where repressed peoples are sufficiently empowered to rise up against their oppressors. The things taken for granted for so long--the assumptions made about what is and is not acceptable--are being challenged everywhere. It's caught some people by surprise, and they're angered at being challenged regarding things they always assumed were right...and theirs. Well, they're not.
     
  5. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    Black Lives Matter is not an official, cohesive group, so there are no guiding principles. By the way, your link doesn't work.

    I hear the terms Irish-American and Italian-American all the time. It is quite common for white ethnics to use a hyphenated name due to their historical treatment for not being WASPs. Otherwise, you don't see WASPs calling themselves a hyphenated name because they are considered mainstream. They are historically and currently the majority. Anything that is not mainstream is separated, not just by the people of those non-mainstream groups, but by white people. Remember that white people were the originators of this separatism in the U.S. In reality, calling yourself African American or Asian American is no different from calling yourself black American or white American. White people call themselves white all the time. Why do white people feel the need to call themselves white? Why do they put in personal ads and on dating sites that they are a single white female or single white male? Shouldn't they just put that they're human or American? This is all dumb and should be a non-issue.

    The U.S. is not a melting pot; it is a tossed salad. One can identify as American while recognizing his or her unique history and culture at the same time. We are capable of multi-tasking.

    To blame division (racism) in the U.S. on hyphenated names is beyond stupid. This puts the blame of racism on the targets of racism. Why not put the blame of racism on the racists? Do you really think that getting rid of hyphenated names is going to change the minds of people like this?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBna0Es--tM

    If you look at these BLM protests, a very large percentage of the protesters are non-black. They understand that "Black Lives Matter" does not mean that "only black lives matter." It is a name that puts emphasis on a particular problem facing a particular demographic. Only people as stupid as Sarah Palin do not get this.
     
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  6. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    Now, that I think about it, why do we even call ourselves Americans? Shouldn't we just call ourselves Homo sapiens or earthlings?
     
  7. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I'm pretty sure he meant this: Guiding Principles | Black Lives Matter

    That site claims to be official, but it's as you say, it's a broad movement with a number of different threads. Some are far left, like the one at that link. Others are more focused on the core issue, like the National Association Against Police Brutality, whose founder I know and who welcomes ideological diversity -- he's on the left, I'm libertarian, but we have respectful conversations about our differences.
     
  8. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    At our best, I like to think of ourselves as a soup. Each ingredient remains distinct, yet flavored by its relationship to all the others.

    Where I grew up, the four largest ethnic groups were white, black, Mexican, and Filipino. My ethnic identity is primarily white. I like to think my life was "flavored" by the other three, however.

    (P.S.: I don't care about parsing the specificity of those labels. They communicate clearly; you know who and what I'm talking about.)
     
  9. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    Yes, there is a broad spectrum of ideologies in the movement. There are a lot of people in the BLM movement who are not very friendly to the LGBTQ community.
     
  10. apriltrainer

    apriltrainer New Member

    the hyphen isn't there because non-whites or and non-wasp whites want to remain seperate. I WOULD love it if I could go a week without someone asking me "Where are you from?"

    Here's a a typical convo-

    "where are you from"

    me- "erie, pa"

    "but where are your really from?"

    me- "um....ERie, it's between Cleveland and Buffalo. We are much closer to those cities than Pittsburgh. You know the chimney in Pennsylvania? That is where I was born and raised."

    "but what are you really"

    me- "I'm American. I served in the US army.

    "But you aren't really from here ? You family isn't from here. "

    That sucks people. This sucks. People don't see me as AMERICAN. THey already see me as hyphenated. Hell they don't even see me as hyphenated. They see me as possibly....Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Laotian, Vietnamese. Filipino..Insert some asian ethnicity here...(the crazy part is I am not even 100% asian. I am half white too but white people don't see it at all. Asian people do. White people don't. )

    So I finally give the F**k up and give them what they want.

    me in a very resigned voice.- "filipino. Filipino- AMERICAN." I'm going to stick that American in there because damn it..that is WHAT I AM. But they won't stop until I give them some ethnic country. American won't satsify these people.

    You want to know why people hyphenate? because being colorblind doesn't exist. You are lying if you say you are colorblind. And Filipno-American just makes people shut up.

    I could also tell them my dad is white. But whenever I have decided to tell them I am half white in order for them to stop asking. They want to know what I really am. it's tiring. So yes. I hyphenate because I can't just be seen as an American. White people won't let me just be a girl from ERie, Pa.

    You don't like people hyphenating? Then pay attention to how you ask people where they are from. In fact here is my 2 cents. Don't. Just don't ask. Last person that asked me, I decided I was through with the game and told him I was from the city of Volantis in Essos....I am now Valyrian-American.
     
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  11. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    Thank you. If anything is a farce, it's the colorblind talk. Humans are naturally tribal. No one is colorblind. Take Latin America, for example. Latin American countries like to brag about how they do not categorize people by race, but they definitely categorize people by skin tone and hair type. The word "Indio" is often used in a derogatory fashion. Many Dominicans won't claim their African ancestry; they explain away dark skin by saying they're mixed with Taino Indian and tend to be racist toward Haitians. Colorism is very prevalent in Latin America.
     
  12. Neuhaus

    Neuhaus Well-Known Member

    I never hear anyone refer to the,selves as Scandinavian-American because Scandinavia isn't a country from which one's ancestors hail. It's a region comprised of multiple nations. I seldom here people refer to themselves as Asian-American as they tend to identify with a specific country.

    The only time I hear such a broad geography being employed is when it comes to African-American but that makes sense given that many African-Americans don't know which specific country, tribe or region their family originated from. Incidentally I have always found it odd that we use "African American" to refer to every black person. It is entirely possible that a person, visiting from Africa, might be identified by police or medical personnel as "African American" despite not being "American" at all. They may also be removed from the continent of Africa by 1-3 hundred years (maybe more? I'm not an expert on the history of slavery).

    So, no, neither Sarah Palin nor Maxwell Smart has made any "good points" on the topic of race in America. And I'm growing tired of the aggression toward minorities being couched with statements about how colorblind they are (and so cannot possibly be racist).
     
  13. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    The first Africans to be imported to America were imported in 1619 and the importation of slaves was abolished in 1808. Hence, most African Americans are removed from the continent by a matter of between 208 and 397 years.
     
  14. Neuhaus

    Neuhaus Well-Known Member

    And yet I abandoned my identification with the German people after only around 90 years of distance between myself and the fatherland.
     
  15. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    My wife was asked once what her "ethnic ingredients" are. She answered, "Fire, lions, and light." That ended that line of inquiry.
     
  16. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    A lot of African Americans just refer to themselves as black. I mostly use black. Black people in the U.S. have been called many terms over the past few hundred years: colored, negro, Afro-American, etc. A lot of Hispanics in Texas still refer to themselves as Mexican even though their families have been in Texas for several generations, and Texas hasn't been a part of Mexico since 1836. They also refer to themselves as Latinos and Hispanic. Hispanic was originally a term that referred to the people of the Iberian Peninsula. Latino is used to refer to people from Latin America, but many of the Hispanics in Texas haven't been in Latin America for 100 to almost 200 years. The overwhelming majority of Hispanics/Latinos are removed from Spain by a few hundred years. Really, Hispanic is an ethnicity invented by the U.S. government.
     
  17. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    Sometimes I hear "European-American" as an ethnicity sometimes.
     
  18. Maxwell_Smart

    Maxwell_Smart Active Member

    Not surprised by that response...
     
  19. Maxwell_Smart

    Maxwell_Smart Active Member

    BLM seems to believe otherwise, and no you are wrong, they do have guiding principles and the page is on their website. It's impossible to miss.

    Not sure why the link posted that way, but here it is again:

    http://blacklivesmatter.com/guiding-principles/

    I hear people of Irish background mentioning that they're Irish all the time. I hear people of Italian background mentioning that they're Italian all the time. I've never heard anyone say "I'm Irish-American" or "I'm Italian-American". Your experience with that is different from mine, but I argue that your experience with that is more than likely different from most.

    One telling point comes from job applications. It's common to see them ask you to self-identify as a "White", "Black" or "African-American". But never as "Italian-American" or "Irish-American". I would think if the terms "Italian-American" or "Irish-American" were really that common they'd show up.

    I think to assert anyone has said that is beyond stupid.

    You've really missed the point and jumped to a rhetorical conclusion, again.

    To reiterate the point, which I think was stated clearly before, these things show a desire to hold on to division. Obviously, getting rid of that alone won't fix the problem and that was never said to begin with, it's just that holding on symbolizes a connection to the history of that division.


    Unfortunately, your view is idealistic and naive, but given that you weren't aware of BLM's confused guiding principles I realize that view comes from a lack of research. If you actually listen to some of the interviews of BLM's so-called leaders or read some of their Twitter posts, you'd know the very extreme racist views they take. It's not even debatable.

    So some white people march with them? Great. Changes nothing, because BLM's so-called leaders can't take back the extreme racist bile they've spewed. That's where your idea of BLM falls short of reality.
     
  20. Maxwell_Smart

    Maxwell_Smart Active Member

    What you're saying was never argued against so I'm not sure why you mentioned it. That said, people from the Scandinavian region are known to refer to themselves as Scandinavians and to be referred to as Scandinavians, it's known:

    https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#safe=off&q=scandinavians

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavian_Americans


    I spend lots of time in Canada and hear people refer to Black Canadians as "African-Americans". Interesting how people can say this means nothing and can't see the power of the division it represents. It would be comical to me if weren't so sad.

    Emotional response nonsense.

    It's kind of funny how above you identify a problem but somehow can't see it as a problem at the same time...
     

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