Manafort in trouble?

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  1. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

  2. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    It doesn't surprise me. Trump had some very shady business deals going on when he made the Trump Tower. Some of the major construction contractors (especially cement) he dealt with had ties to the mob. The guy has made some very strange hiring decisions in this presidential race. Look at Corey Lowendowsky. The guy had little to no experience, and was caught bringing in guns to some kind of government building. He claimed he got mixed up and thought the gun (s) and ammo he brought in were his dirty laundry. Bizarre. You can't make this stuff up.
     
  3. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    And the media continues to do their best to bulldoze Hillary's violation of national security under the rug.

    The continuing obsession with Trump is pure entertainment; the media with one breath wants you to believe that he's a buffoon, not to be taken seriously, while in the next breath do everything possible to try to discredit him.
     
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  4. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    If you, a member of the general public, know about it, it isn't "swept under the rug."

    What is not already known? Do you have information not available to the rest of society?

    It is reasonable to consider that your assessment of the facts is different from others'.

    And what, pray tell, does it have to do with the OP's point about Trump's guy? Look, squirrel!
     
  5. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    I'm much more cognizant of politics than the general public, because I read and view more than the standard propaganda served up by CNN, MSNBC, etc. I hate politicians, but I love politics.

    It's hardly ever, if ever, mentioned by the media. If Donald Trump was the target of an FBI criminal investigation, it would be the daily leading headline on every MSM news show, while Chris Matthews, Rachel Maddow, and the crew would be having epic meltdowns on a nightly basis.

    It highlights the breathtaking hypocrisy and double standards of the media, which is now, for all intents and purposes, the propaganda wing of the Democrat Party.
     
  6. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Right. That darn media! That darn, corporate-owned, highly capitalistic media. They constantly disobey their corporate masters and fail to repeat the same old non-story day after day! And when that upstanding citizen and national leader, Donald Trump, slips up (oopsie!) and says something daily against women, minorities, foreigners, gays, and the GOP establishment, there's that scary media right there to jump on the issue and write about it! How dare they!

    Good luck with that.
     
  7. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    Do you honestly believe that a leading candidate for the office of President of the United States being the target of an FBI criminal investigation is a "non-story"?

    Seriously, you really believe that?

    By all means, cover what Trump says. But also, cover everything else that's going on in the campaign.

    Personally, I'm much more concerned that someone who wants to be President could be indicted by a Federal grand jury than I am about Donald Trump hurting some hyper-sensitive people's feelings. I guess I'm funny like that.

    Here's some Summer reading for you Rich;

    Bias: A CBS Insider Exposes How the Media Distort the News: Bernard Goldberg: 9780060520847: Amazon.com: Books
     
  8. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    I watch a lot of CNN. I notice that whenever people say that CNN doesn't cover something, they rarely, if ever, watch it. So, how do you know? CNN covered the email scandal a lot when the news broke and whenever there was new information. I learned about it from CNN and actually got sick of hearing about because they have a habit of spending too much time on big stories.
     
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  9. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    How do you feel about the fact that Trump is being sued (not "could" be sued) for fraud by NY Attorney General? In addition to being obnoxious walking illustration of Dunnig-Kruger Effect in any field outside his narrow expertise? All the crazy stuff he's saying on daily basis? I mean, I can understand Hillary Derangement Syndrome, but parallel canonization of The Donald? How?
     
  10. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Corporate, yes. Capitalist, not at all. Remember that these are not the same.

    Mainstream media decision makers are part of a corporatist establishment that includes high level officials from both major parties. Much of the mainstream media flagrantly favor Democrats, some outlets like Fox News just as flagrantly favor Republicans. But in both cases they're merely pandering to an audience: none of them are interested in the sort of actual journalism that might truly rock the boat. That's why they're perfectly willing to report on fifteen candidates for a major party nomination even when some of them are clearly going nowhere, yet they're incredibly reluctant to report on a third candidate in the general election, however qualified he or she may be.
     
  11. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    I think it's amusing grandstanding. One of the most dangerous places to be is in-between Eric Schneiderman and a TV camera.

    You're saying I have Hillary Derangement Syndrome? That's cute, as well as the definition of irony. First of all, it's the Dunning-Kruger Effect, and now you're attempting, with no professional training, to assign a disorder to someone you've never even met? If that isn't the definition of derangement and obsession, I don't know what is.

    For all this paranoia and hand-wringing about Trump, you would think he used a private email server for national security secrets, or lied about Americans being left to die overseas, or something.
     
  12. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Note: This is NOT condescending. I know, I know, it sounds like it, but I have it on good authority that the poster is not condescending. (He said so.)

    As for Trump, he has every reason to be upset with the GOP. Never has the clear-cut front-runner been so reviled by his own party. Gerald Ford in 1976 and Jimmy Carter in 1980 come close, but they faced individual challenges (Reagan and Kennedy, respectively). Trump is not only rejected by the party whose primary race he's winning, but they're actively plotting to keep him from the nomination by just about any means possible. Plus, the teaming up of rivals explicitly to deny him the nomination is unprecedented.

    Yeah, he should be furious, and he is. But is anyone asking why he faces such opposition within his own party?
     
  13. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    You know full well that Dunning-Kruger Effect is not a disorder. Some people do try to suggest Trump has dementia, but there's not nearly enough information to claim that. So, does it bother you that your candidate is a con man?
     
  14. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    No Rich, condescending would be if I stated something like the poster's argument lacked critical thinking skills, implying that only I did. Instead, I said it was ironic. If you think that's condescending, then your ego trigger has a much lower threshold than I suspected.

    Very, very simple.

    It's not the party that reviles him, because the party itself is made up of people who identify and register as Republicans. They've endorsed Trump like no other candidate I've seen since Ronald Reagan in 1980, and there are actually a lot of similarities in those campaigns, but that's another discussion.

    Trump is hated by the party establishment, the RINO's like Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan, and the rest of the crew who are terrified at the thought of the apple cart being upended by Trump. It's very telling indeed that the Republican leadership has been frozen in place for almost 3 years, despite a majority in both houses of Congress, and haven't done a thing to slow down or stop Obama's freight train.

    However, they mobilized within 72 hours in an attempt to slow down or stop the most popular candidate their party has had in many years, solely because they want to keep a death grip on their positions of power.
     
  15. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    I'm not bothered by the partisan accusations, no.

    Does it bother you that your candidate used a private email server for national security matters, and lied about leaving Americans to die overseas?
     
  16. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    When you resort to trying to make distinction between the party establishment and the party members, the party is in deep trouble, whether or not those distinctions exist.

    NO candidate has seen the kind of internal opposition visited upon Trump. It is truly unique in Presidential politics. And that's not a good thing.
     
  17. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    The party is in trouble, no doubt about it.

    The leadership will either accept the inevitable and embrace Trump as the nominee, or they'll try shenanigans at the convention to put in another RINO, which will effectively be the end of the Republican Party.

    Their move.
     
  18. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I think their ability to get past this and re-form will be less-hindered if they ride with Trump, especially if he has a majority of pledged delegates going in.

    If he doesn't, I don't think telling the rank-and-file that "oh, well, that's politics" will fly if they don't selected him in a contested convention.

    But my prediction is that if the convention is contested, the party will select someone other than Trump.
     
  19. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

  20. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

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