Trump’s Four-Pinocchio ratings all in one place

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  1. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

  2. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    That's 65% of his rated statements. And Kessler is known to be easier on conservatives vs. liberals.
     
  3. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    "See? Look how much the establishment hates me!" [poll numbers increase]
     
  4. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    Trump is like Godzilla hitting the power lines; the more that the establishment and liberals attack him, the stronger he gets.
     
  5. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    It's a cult of personality. Political scientists and political psychologists are going to have fun studying this phenomenon. When was the last time the world has seen a cult of personality on such a large scale outside of a totalitarian government?
     
  6. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Well, let's not get carried away. There isn't anything that shows his popularity is increasing. He's been in front of the GOP pack for a long time, but the needle hasn't moved much in a long time.

    What these things do, however, is thrill his followers. They're not looking to him for integrity, honesty, even competence. They don't mind at all that he's an ignoramus. In fact, they prefer it. It's not like they're going to wake up one day and realize suddenly that he's a serial liar and stop supporting him. But they represent less than a third of the general voting population. Add some faithful GOP voters who will back anyone their party puts up and you still have an electoral disaster of AuH2O proportions.
     
  7. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    Back when Ted Kennedy was alive, I never understood how he got re-elected over and over, because almost everyone I talked to denied ever voting for him.

    Donald Trump is going to be a LOT of people's secret guilty pleasure in November, because he speaks what everyone else thinks, but is afraid to say.
     
  8. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    Your use of the term phenomenon reminded me of this article:

    "Buried deep in the transcript of Donald Trump's interview with The Washington Post's editorial board on Monday is a question and response that it's hard not to see as neatly encapsulating the entire Trump phenomenon".

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/03/21/the-most-baffling-moments-from-donald-trumps-washington-post-ed-board-interview/

    Now that reporters are starting to press him a little harder, his answers/deflections seem to get more and more bizzare.

    For example:

    "Post publisher Fred Ryan asked Trump if he would consider using a tactical nuclear strike against the forces of the Islamic State, were he president. Trump responded that he didn't want to "start the process of nuclear," then reminding the editors that he was "a counter-puncher."

    "Remember, one thing that everybody has said, I’m a counter-puncher," Trump said. "Rubio hit me. Bush hit me. When I said low energy, he’s a low-energy individual, he hit me first. He spent, by the way -- he spent 18 million dollars’ worth of negative ads on me. That’s putting..."

    Ryan jumped in. "This is about ISIS," he reminded Trump. "You would not use a tactical nuclear weapon against ISIS?"

    "I’ll tell you one thing," Trump replied. "This is a very good looking group of people here. Could I just go around so I know who the hell I’m talking to?"

    Then:

    "Immediately prior to the question about the nuclear strike, for example, Trump spent 550 words and several minutes defending the size of his hands ... and correlated appendages. Why did he bring up size during the debate? "I don't want people to go around thinking that I have a problem."

    One thing is for sure, I really don't want to hear or care about the size of his pito. :smile:
     
  9. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    I still think that Trump is either suffering from early onset dementia or is trolling people. I watched a pretty good documentary a few years ago on a man who started his own ridiculous religion and got many people to follow him. It was funny and sad. I need to find the name. It is amazing how easy it is to start a cult and gain a following. I know that some think that all religions are ridiculous cults, but Scientology really stands out.

    This video is borderline offensive, but it is interesting how Trump sounds so much like African presidents and dictators. He really sounds a lot like Idi Amin.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FPrJxTvgdQ

    If you read up on Idi Amin, you'll find parallels beyond the stupid language they use. Idi Amin was very xenophobic and basically forced Asians to leave Uganda. It kind of reminds me of how Trump wants to round up 11 million illegal immigrants and deport them. I don't think he thinks about what that would actually entail. Yes, they are here illegally, but they are human beings and many are here with children. Bursting into people's homes and forcefully removing them would be a gross human rights violation, and it is definitely something Jesus wouldn't do considering that Trump calls himself a Christian. Trump also called for killing the families of terrorists. Not only is this against international law, but it is immoral. Lately, Trump has been calling for enhanced interrogation methods (torture). Now, this area is sort of my area of expertise. It is studied in criminology and national and international security, so I've been in two degree programs that looked at this topic. Torture elicits a lot of bad information. When an innocent person is tortured, they will tell you anything to make it stop. Investigators roughing up people during criminal investigations has led to many false confessions. What went on in Chicago years ago is an example of this. Trump says that he's his own foreign policy advisor. He really needs to talk to experts.

    Oh, and Trump's harassment of Megyn Kelly is bizarre. I feel sorry for her. Since he likes to threaten to sue people over stupid things, Megyn Kelly should threaten to sue him for defamation and emotional distress.
     
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  10. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

     
  11. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    That's another gap in his knowledge. He likes to talk about the Great Wall of China. Well, it didn't work. Invaders simply climbed over or rode around it or forced their way through the gates. It also required a lot of upkeep and parts of it fell apart. It's the dumbest example a person could give. It makes for a pretty landmark, but it was a total waste. People are even getting over and under our walls now. I do, however, think that border security can be improved.
     
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  12. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Everyone? No major party nominee (not his yet, but soon) has ever drawn such scorn from not just the opposition, but also within his/her own party. I just don't know how you can defend that statement. Plus, there is no data--and no indication whatsoever--that there is a "hidden majority" in favor of Trump.

    I'm not arguing the merits of a Donald Trump nomination. I'm simply saying that what you're posing has no basis.

    (BTW, your anecdote about the Lion of the Senate isn't helpful and is contraindicated by the esteem in which he was held within the Democratic Party.)
     
  13. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    There will be a huge run on 51-foot ladders. Which will be made in China, of course.
     
  14. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    That's true. I have a lot of Sanders enthusiasts in my network who admit they find Hillary Clinton repulsively dishonest. But very few seem like they oppose her to the extent that the "Never Trump" Republicans oppose Trump. I gather they'll either sit November out or, more often, take a Pepto-Bismol and go pull the lever for her.

    There are honorable Democrats. The Cowardly Lion of the Senate was not one of them.
     
  15. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    That's your individual opinion, but I was talking about the collective, which is dramatically different regarding Ted Kennedy. Hugely popular with his voters and well-liked and esteemed by his Senate colleagues on both sides of the aisle. As I'm not bashing Trump, I'm not defending Kennedy. I was just refuting an unsupported statement (not yours) about his popularity. He was extremely popular.
     
  16. 03310151

    03310151 Active Member

    For a candidate who is a joke with zero chance of winning, and hopelessly behind either democrat in a general election matchup, the MSM and other candidates sure seem to focus a lot on Trump. I don’t think any major news outlet can go the day without condemning this candidate who has no chance of winning. Even Hillary and Bernie seem to be directing more of their attacks against this potential November walkover than they do against each other. People seem to show a lot of concern and expel a lot of energy over a guy who supposedly has no chance of winning.
     
  17. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I wish Trump had no chance of winning, but don't think that's the case. I thought there was no way he'd be competitive for the Republican nomination, and being dead wrong about that taught me to stop underestimating him.
     
  18. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member

    People sure seemed obsessed with him. One guy on this thread has made a lot of threads about this "clown" odd. Back in the day when people on the right were this obsessed with Obama people called them nut jobs. People were freaking out on the right about how obama was going to destroy the country. Now the left is doing it with Trump, I find it funny.
     
  19. 03310151

    03310151 Active Member


    He's certainly all things to all people that is for sure.
     
  20. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    That's funny. You previously posted that you were going to vote for Bernie, but then you decided to you Trump, or to use your term "clown". For the record, I have never called Trump a clown, as your post seems to insinuate. I also seem to remember you using the term "whack jobs" recently in relation to a poster/member that made some comments regarding Trump.
     

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