Rubio: Modernize Higher Education

Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by Kizmet, Aug 19, 2015.

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  1. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

  2. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

  3. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

  4. heirophant

    heirophant Well-Known Member

    I didn't see anything very terrible in the link in the OP.

    Rubio said that kids shouldn't be "shamed" into attending four year university programs when many might be better off studying vocational subjects in two year and similar programs.

    And he said that prospective students need to decide whether it's worth it to go $50,000 into debt in order to major in "Greek philosophy". Plenty of people have said the same thing right here on Degreeinfo when they launch their "want fries with that?" jibes.

    I'm a former philosophy major but graduated with no debt. I would have thought twice if I had to accumulate serious debt to do it.
     
  5. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    Oh, I think we know that he said more than that.
     
  6. jhp

    jhp Member

  7. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    I don't think anyone's saying that liberal arts subjects are unworthy of study. But realistically, getting a job that does something with that liberal arts degree is going to be a tough sell.
     
  8. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Rubio is floundering around a subject--tertiary job preparation--that could be addressed in a cogent manner. Except, of course, he doesn't have anyone on his team to do that, so he spouts some half-baked nonsense anyway.

    What Rubio is implying is that we don't need everyone to go to university. No kidding. But what he doesn't propose is what is needed: a strong national qualifications framework (NQF) that accommodates tertiary learning and certification in non-collegiate settings--processes that are not necessarily university-based and do not lead to college degrees. Rather, they would lead to recognized vocational and occupational qualifications that, in turn, employers could rely upon when considering applicants for jobs and promotions.

    Give me a call, Marco.
     
  9. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    I'm not a big fan of Rubio, but I think that makes a lot of sense. You'll likely never get rich being an electrician or plumber, but you can make a decent living and raise a family, provided you work hard and make good life choices.

    My dad's best friend (WWII Navy Vet) used the GI Bill to go to electrician's school, apprenticed until he got his master electrician license, then opened his own business. He made a fortune by focusing on banks and other commercial buildings, and was a multi-millionaire several times over when he retired and sold the business.

    Definitely not the norm, but it goes to show that you don't need a college degree to become successful.
     
  10. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Well said.

    Does one really need the president to do this? I'll bet if OPM published such a thing for internal use, many other American organizations would use it voluntarily. And given your resume, how many handshakes away from Beth Cobert could you possibly be? I'm being serious here!
     

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