A vote for so and so is a wasted vote...

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  1. mattbrent

    mattbrent Well-Known Member

    Hi folks!

    It's election day tomorrow in Virginia. I like to call it "No more political ads day eve". This campaign has been atrocious. We have the Democrat, Terry McAuliff, the Republican, Ken Cuccinelli, and the Libertarian, Robert Sarvis. The polls all put McAuliff ahead. Sarvis doesn't have a snow ball's chance, but he's hanging in there in the hopes he can get at least 10% to guarantee the Libertarians a place on the ballot and in debates in the future. I have to give the guy credit for trying.

    What bothers me most about this whole thing is not really the smear campaign of the two major candidates, but the reliance on fear. The Cuccinelli campaign is trying to draw votes away from Sarvis by saying that voting for him is a wasted vote. I HATE that concept. To me, voting for anyone is not a wasted vote. The only wasted votes are the ones that don't happen. Those folks who sit on their lazy duffs at home and DON'T vote are the ones who waste votes. Grrrr...

    Okay, that's my rant. Remember folks, people died for our right to vote. We should use it!

    -Matt
     
  2. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I know what you mean. Between a crook, a kook, and Sarvis, it's the last one that's a wasted vote? Hilarious.
     
  3. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    Good points by you.
     
  4. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

    I'm not in Virginia, but it seems like the Sarvis campaign has the potential to be one of the bigger political stories of the year. The polls suggest that Sarvis has a shot to get 10% of the Virginia vote. If he hits that double-digit level, there will be three major political parties in the state -- not just two. And the state will recognize this, by giving the Libertarian party guaranteed access to ballots and debates.

    On the other hand, support for third parties often seems to be higher in the polls than it is in the election booth. So the polls could be misleading here. We'll know soon enough.
     
  5. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I'll bet a hundred dollars Sarvis doesn't break ten percent. In the end, in the voting booth, people will chicken out and vote for the crook or the kook. Sad, but watch it happen even as they complain there are no other choices.

    [video=youtube;qk12ALX9fz8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk12ALX9fz8[/video]
     
  6. Ian Anderson

    Ian Anderson Active Member

    In my area of Colorado (and perhaps all of Colorado) voting is by mail. So advertising and robocalls pretty much ceased a week ago.

    One Colorado congressman is already advertising in anticipation of the primaries.
     
  7. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

    You could be right. In 2012, the polls indicated that Gary Johnson (the Libertarian presidential candidate) was pulling 7% support in New Mexico (his home state). Yet in the actual New Mexico election, he only got 3.6%, or about half that level. So his supporters apparently did "chicken out".

    On the other hand, it seems like there is an unusual degree of dissatisfaction in Virginia with the choices from the two major parties. So perhaps people will be less likely to "chicken out", and more likely to cast "protest votes". Don't know, but will be interested in the outcome.
     
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  8. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

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  9. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    It is. It's too bad no one took me up on it and I don't get to take anyone's hundred dollars....
     
  10. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Interestingly, although sadly not surprisingly, the local NPR station that was going on and on about election results all last night assiduously avoided mentioning Sarvis's name. I mean like not once. It was like they thought that 47% + 46.5% = 100% or something.
     
  11. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Every vote DOES count.

    I looked at the unofficial returns for Virginia Attorney General. The GOP candidate won by 1,169 votes in a statewide election with over 2 million ballots cast.
     
  12. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

    The Virginia Board of Elections currently puts the GOP candidate ahead by only 727 votes, out of 2,200,869. It's headed for a recount.
     
  13. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Very close, but that still doesn't mean every vote counts. I mean, unless you're a special person who controls hundreds of votes, that still means the result would be unchanged if any given voter instead spent that time with his kids, or drunk in a bar, or surfing the Internet, or whatever.
     
  14. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    What I've learned from this thread is that you should only vote for somebody you know is going to win. Even then, only if you know he/she is going to win by 1. What you fail to realize is that even in that case, it's not YOUR vote that counted unless you were the absolute last person to vote.

    Therefore, I propose a dramatic change to the entire process. Since only one vote can ever count, only one person should be allowed to vote. But how, you may ask, shall this one voter be chosen? Via an election, of course. And since only one vote could count in that election, the person who votes for the voter will be chosen by election, who him/herself will be chosen by election and so on and so forth until everyone has a vote that counts.
     
  15. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    The economist Walter Williams made essentially the same point I just did in class one day -- that in any race unlikely to be decided by a single vote, there's no point in participating. A student asked, "Well, what if everyone felt that way?" His reply: "Then I'd vote."
     
  16. mattbrent

    mattbrent Well-Known Member

    I know it isn't really a "one vote makes the difference" concept, but if you look at the individual localities breakdown in the race for governor, Westmoreland county, which is right next door to me, was neck and neck between Cuccinelli and McAuliff. Cooch was ahead by one vote. Does it matter? No. But I thought that was interesting.

    -Matt
     
  17. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Yabbut you don't KNOW who will win until after the election!
     
  18. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

    After further review of the ballots, it appears that the GOP candidate may have actually lost.
    The latest numbers put the Democratic candidate ahead by 117 votes statewide.

    In this case, it's been a week since the election and we still don't know for sure.
     
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  19. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

    Virginia has 95 counties and 38 independent cities, totaling 133 local jurisdictions for electoral purposes.

    In the Attorney General race, the current count has the Democrat (Herring) ahead by 164 votes over the Republican (Obershain). If these numbers hold up, then Herring has a statewide lead of 164 votes over 133 local jurisdictions, or an average lead of 1.2 votes per city or county. Of course, the statewide total is the only number that really matters, but it's still an interesting way to look at it.
     
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  20. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    So let's hear from someone who's backing that Ford idiotdrugaddict in Toronto. Did I mention that he's really fat? And stupid? And a lying drug addict? A vote for this guy is worse than a wasted vote.
     
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