Veteran not a hero? Try again, Joe Walsh.

Are you f*&#ing kidding me?

Veteran not a hero? Try again, Joe Walsh. - She The People - The Washington Post

When are idiots like this going to learn that swiftboating can backfire on you? This guy needs to get a new campaign advisor pronto.

Abner :smile: Happy Fourth everyone!!!!!!!!!! Carne asada time!!! Yeah baby! :smile:

 

Then the little prick adds this:


"The congressman had a similar complaint in March during an interview with Politico, when he praised Duckworth for her physical sacrifices before adding, “Ehhh. Now let’s move on. What else has she done? Female, wounded veteran … ehhh,” he said.

I am not a vet myself, but I come from a very pro vet family. My father and his three brothers all served in the military, all during war time. This guy comes off very disrespectful and unpatriotic. There is a line you just don't cross. I just can't comprehend these guys attacking legless vets (plural). It's just plain chicken shit.

Abner

 

She was a combat helicopter pilot and also Assistant Secretary of Veteran's Affairs under the Obama Administration. I'd say that she knows something about the way that the US Government works, and something about courage.

About Tammy | Tammy Duckworth for Congress

 

Just to be very clear – exactly which of the referenced ‘idiots’ are you grumbling about? /Sarcasm
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To be very clear -

"When are idiots like this going to learn that swiftboating can backfire on you?" The term idiots is attached to the phrase "Idiots like this". Hence, idiotas like Joe Walsh.

I wouldn't call pointing out the obvious "grumbling".

Abner

 

I'm a veteran, but in no way do I consider myself a "hero".....I was an insignificant cog in the Persian Gulf War who came home without a physical scratch.

However, someone who loses a limb? Yeah, they most certainly are a hero in my eyes, regardless of what I think of their politics.

 

I'm uncomfortable with the "hero" tag being placed on anyone who serves merely for that service. It's a service. Voluntary, almost mercenary. Can heroism occur in that context? Absolutely, even if the aspect of the service where the heroism occurs (like deploying to the sandbox) is involuntary. But for the most part, it is working in a public service. Yes, I volunteered my services. Yes, I was (technically) subject to being put in harm's way. But I was also adequately compensated for my service (the basis for the post-draft, all-volunteer military).

Do you know what the Army now calls its recruiting offices? "Army Career Centers." (You can also find "Armed Forces Career Centers" for combined recruiting operations.) Since the end of the draft, the military has sold itself as a place to get a job, get some skills, and move on to a better career (in or outside the military).

When people volunteered to serve in the run-up to WWII (and during it), there was an element of heroism just in the enlistment. Danger was imminent. Today, we have young people volunteering for many reasons, including highly altruistic ones. But the services sell careers, not sacrifice. The sacrifice and heroism could come about later.

I volunteered three times (enlisting on active duty, enlisting in the Reserve, and accepting a commission). These deeds went towards public service, sure. But at no time was I a hero. To call everyone that diminishes the sacrifices made by the ones who, faced with deadly dangers, acted heroically. For the rest of us? A "thank you" for our service is just fine. Oh, and you don't have to actually say it. Just feel it.

 

I am second to Bruce....

Of course, when it comes to competition; you have to do whatever it takes to knock out your opponent. Military is not Politic, all Military Generals are politicians. Politicians lie; even lies to the American citizens in order to gain the positions as they wanted. Once, I even had Liberal people told me that our military invaded Iraq, it was shame on us as American service members. Well, military do not create policy, but only take orders from politicians.

 

Pulled it...breaks my personal pledge of not posting in political threads. Have fun!

 

We as a culture have watered down the meaning of hero. Example, sports figures are not hero's simply because they participate. The same can be said of veterans, or young children who are forced to deal with life threatening adversity. I am the first to acknowledge that their actions are heroic and praise worthy but it does not automatically bestow the title of hero.

 

What's the ‘real’ story?

Abner, it’s not always obvious to me what the ‘real’ story is in the media.:saeek:

I’m a vet with non-combat and non-life-threatening shrapnel imbedding in my head, and yes I’ve had my head examined. I do find most political theater…..disgusting, at best. It’s worse when vets are unfairly doing the slinging, or unfairly receiving the feces. I’m not in that particular state, nor am I defending him or her. On the surface he seems to be a non-vet jerk putting down his opponent. Is this media bias, or real?

I haven’t researched the ‘real campaign issues’ but as always there’s generally a little more to the story:
Rep. Joe Walsh stands by accusation Tammy Duckworth politicizes her military service | The Ticket - Yahoo! News
["She is a hero, and that demands our respect, but it doesn't demand our vote," Walsh said Wednesday on CNN's "The Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer. "All she does, guys, is talk about her service."
On Thursday, Walsh stood by his comments, telling CNN host Ashleigh Banfield: "This wasn't a slip up. I don't regret anything I said." Walsh added that he honors every man or woman who served in the military and accused Duckworth's campaign and his opponents of "manufacturing" an issue and of conducting opposition research against him.
Walsh's comments Wednesday and Thursday followed a speech Walsh made at a campaign event Sunday at which Walsh lauded Sen. John McCain, a former prisoner of war in Vietnam, for his humility and refusal to talk candidly about his service.
"Now I'm running against a woman who, I mean-- my God-- that's all she talks about," Walsh told an audience in Elk Grove, Ill. "Our true heroes, the men and women who served us, it's the last thing in the world they talk about." ]

Fire at will…:drillsergeant:

 

Walsh was criticizing Duckworth for, in his opinion, having done nothing else but be wounded in combat and then talking endlessly about it. That, and accusing the Democrats of parachuting her into the race against him. Unfortunately, he chose to make this differentiation instead by implying she wasn't a real hero. Bad move. Duckworth was in a helicopter on a combat mission when it (and she) came under enemy fire. Her legs were blown off.

Duckworth is a real American hero. Whether or not she should be voted in as a member of the House of Representatives is up to the voters of that district.

Walsh, by the way, never served.

BTW, when I first read the headline, I wondered why a former member of the Eagles was making this kind of statement. Just 53 goin' on 73, I guess.

 

Every time I here news about something else Joe Walsh has said I fall into a similar trap by asking myself why the guy from America's Most Wanted would say some crazy stuff like that.

 

I comprehend what the media is saying, and all I’d like ask are the following questions:

Are the ‘real’ issues that apply to the local voters being discussed?
Why is any of this such a concern to people in other states or districts?
Who is behind and aiding in blowing up the hero specific aspect?
Why are they blowing up the hero aspect?
Who is ‘swift boating’ whom?
Finally, she appears to be a hero, but is that all the qualification needed to be the best representative for THAT district?

BTW, I don’t know either candidate's qualifications for office, nor do I care at this point, since that is not my point in this exchange.

 

Check out liberal Chris Hayes who won't call a fallen veteran of Iraq or Afghanistan a hero.
Chris Hayes: I'm 'Uncomfortable' Calling Fallen Military 'Heroes' | NewsBusters.org
Sickening

 

Unlike Walsh, Hayes wasn't attacking someone. He was expressing his misgivings over a very difficult subject, as have some posters in this thread. There's a difference.

 

I watch this guy every day. It is obvious what camp he falls in. He would have been one of those spitting on the Vietnam vets back in the day imho.

 

Correction, I watch him on Saturday mornings before my bike ride.