Ron Paul doesn't remember what he wrote in his newletters?

Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by Abner, Jan 6, 2012.

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  1. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    I find that to be a moronic response. The newsletters had his name on the them, yet he claims other wrote racist comments that he was not aware of. WTF? I think a better response would be something like: "I was a younger man back then, and I have grown since then. What I wrote was just plain wrong. However, I am a different man now". I think people would respect that more. What do you all think. I think it would come off much more sincere than that sex freak Gingrich, who claims he has suddenly been saved by catholism.

    Here is what makes Paul stand out. He is not out there stating we should engage in new wars when we haven't even recovered from the war GWB started. I don't like Paul's racist background, but some of the things he says are reasonable. I think my Republican brothers are overlooking him foolishly. I think Paul could capture enough moderate Dems and independents to make a difference. Santorum or Romney? Eh! They will be made mincemeat if they run agains Obama.

    Just some food for thought.

    Abner :smile:
     
  2. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    I'm waiting to see one of Ron Paul's public appearances where 2 guys in white coats throw a net over him and drag him off to a mental hospital.
     
  3. Ian Anderson

    Ian Anderson Active Member

    According to my older learned Jewish friends Ron Paul has expressed anti-Semitic remarks in the past.
     
  4. StefanM

    StefanM New Member

    Not really. I'd suggest, "I didn't pay close enough attention to the newsletters. That was a mistake, and I never should have allowed that to be published in my name." Admitting you were ever a racist is not going to work in a presidential campaign.
    There is NO WAY Paul would get any significant number of moderate democrats. Moderate democrats are democrats for a reason. If they were hardcore anti spending they'd be republican. Typically a moderate democrat is open to social programs but is also open to reform. Paul's "burn it to the ground" approach won't work here.
     
  5. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Conveniently, that is what he said about it.
     
  6. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I don't love him on everything, but I have to say it's a sad statement that people think he must be crazy because he's the only one who doesn't want government telling everyone what to do.
     
  7. JWC

    JWC New Member

  8. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    Have you read his anti-Semitic newsletters that he now claims he doesn't remember writing/didn't write?

    That is very suspect, since it doesn't have the usual disclaimer "I'm Ron Paul and I approved this message" as required by election law, and neither does it have the disclaimer about it being from a non-profit "Swift Boat" type organization that supports Paul.
     
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  9. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    I think it's a travesty that the American Ambassador to China actually bothered to learn how to speak the Chinese language.
     
  10. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    What is this world coming to?

    Abner :smile:
     
  11. StefanM

    StefanM New Member

    He's emphasizing more of the "I didn't know" rather than "It was a mistake." I think if he focused on contrition more it would get him more points.
     
  12. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I suppose if I were him I'm deliver a major speech about race and libertarianism is a better way to handle injustice and create opportunity for all. I have to admit, though, I have this nagging feeling he's at least going to wait until after South Carolina before addressing this any more, if then.

    Oh well. Like I said, I'm more of a Gary Johnson kind of guy. :)
     
  13. ITJD

    ITJD Active Member

    On Ron Paul -

    His message is much better delivered by his organization than he is capable of delivering it himself. This is a major problem with the modern media covering elections.

    At best, he's a novelty unless someone starts force feeding him stem cells and it somehow corrects his core nature of appearing like he has first stage alzheimers.

    Reagan, he is not.
     
  14. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I think many of Ron Paul's libertarian views work well with at least some Democrats. If it weren't for his racist statements, I'd consider voting for him. My daughter is a pretty liberal Democrat and she's a big Ron Paul fan. He did pretty well in Iowa and I understand that some polls have him running a distant second in NH. I would consider him more electable in a general election than Gingrich or Palin.
     
  15. StefanM

    StefanM New Member

    It's probably because he's an iconoclast. It's "cool" not to be mainstream. It just seems that a true liberal or moderate would never be able to endorse Paul's economic policies, if they were truly analyzed.
     
  16. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Fiscally conservative Democrat beliefs are not that far off from Ron Paul are they? For example, I think we spend way too much on our military. We should stop trying to be the policeman for the whole world. I like Ron Paul's views on that better than Obama's. As another example, for all the money we wasted in Iraq we could have funded every American's medical expenses for years, probably. Okay maybe the last only supported Ron Paul's ideas half way. Which I guess supports both of our points. :-D
     
  17. StefanM

    StefanM New Member

    Who would be a fiscal conservative and a social liberal, though? That's the problem with the libertarian platform. It satisfies very few.

    On foreign policy, I think Paul is pretty accurate in his understanding of foreign affairs, especially with the notion of blowback.

    On economic policy, I think he's out of his mind. Austrian economics are bunk, IMO, and he endorses that school of thought fully.
     
  18. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    While by no means a majority, I think there's a growing undercurrent of people in the U.S. who would prefer less government in both the fiscal and social spheres. But the major parties don't nominate many candidates who hold such views, and the media ignores other candidates, which ensures they can't compete.

    Agreed.

    Well, when Keynesianism isn't working and mainstream economics is useless not only as a predictive science but often even to explain things after the fact, why shouldn't someone take another look at the Austrians? And note that different Austrian economics say somewhat different things. You may not agree with von Mises, but find Röpke makes more sense, for example.
     
  19. StefanM

    StefanM New Member

    This may be true, especially about the media. I do wonder, however, how many people really want to make the cuts necessary for a libertarian-style approach. It's easy to get behind things like cutting welfare, etc. if you don't receive those benefits, but when people start losing things that directly affect them, I think we are likely to find fewer supporters.


    A fair point. Paul's presentation of it is overly simplistic, though, and at least the version of Austrian economics he seems to espouse is questionable, IMO.
     
  20. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    That's true. I think there are a hell of a lot of people who want government to be smaller. At least one survey (I forget the specifics, so I expect people to take this with a grain of salt) said that 22% of Americans were in the libertarian quadrant, meaning wanting less government in both fiscal and social areas. But there's a difference between wanting less and wanting none, and I expect the percent of people who want the latter is very small.
     

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