GOP upset win in NY

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  1. major56

    major56 Active Member

  2. truckie270

    truckie270 New Member

    Interesting. That NY seat is supposed to dissappear in 2013 with the re-districting from the last Census.
     
  3. major56

    major56 Active Member

    “Turner is the first Republican Congressman to represent this district in 88 years. The last Republican to represent the district was Andrew Petersen who was elected in the Harding landslide of 1920.”
    New York's 9th congressional district special election, 2011 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Obama is in BIG trouble for 2012! Whether Democrat, Republican or Independent, etc. … voters will vote their pocketbook. I believe there’s likelihood he’ll face a primary challenge from within his own party (re Jimmy Carter had a serious challenge by Ted Kennedy in 1980; of course Carter lost the general election to Republican candidate Ronald Reagan.).
     
  4. 03310151

    03310151 Active Member

    A Conservative, Republican, Christian wins an election in a Democratic, Liberal, Jewish distric. What's the big deal?
     
  5. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    If a Democrat were going to challenge Obama, I think that would have happened by now. This isn't 1980; it takes years to ramp up a successful presidential campaign not to mention truckloads of money. (And it doesn't help that Ted Kennedy failed to unseat him as the nominee.)
     
  6. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    "Elections aren't about voting for the best person- they're about voting for the least worse person." -Maniac Craniac's friend.
     
  7. major56

    major56 Active Member

    Steve,

    You may be right, but why do you believe this would necessarily have happened by now? Per the Carter /Kennedy 1980 example, everyone (including the DNC) knew Jimmy Carter was not going to be reelected (no way, no how).

    Obama’s in a comparable voter disillusionment situation and he’s highly likely unelectable for a second term (and the DNC, as in 1980, recognizes this). Who knows … the DNC may even surreptitiously help bankroll a viable challenger (like a Hillary Clinton who I believe is still stinging from her 2008 primary bid). Yes Kennedy (along with the Chappaquiddick factor and personal character issues) was unsuccessful in his insurgent campaign, although Kennedy did actually win 10 presidential primaries against Carter’s 24. BTW, Kennedy didn’t decide to run until 1979. Ultimately the Democrats were stuck with Carter and the rest is history. Reagan won the election in a landslide, receiving the highest number of Electoral votes ever won by a non-incumbent presidential candidate (Reagan’s 449 Electoral votes (90.9%) to Carter’s 49)). "Carter's defeat was the most lopsided defeat for any incumbent president in an election where only two candidates won electoral votes" (re United States presidential election, 1980 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia).

    On a side note: Current GOP front runner Perry's conservative and Tea Party support is fluid, basically because the existing alternative is Mitt Romney. [If] Governor Palin does make the decision to run, she would likely pick up practically all of the supporters of Michelle Bachmann, Herman Cain (who I personally believe is the most overall capable of the entire group), and Rick Santorum as well as a chunk of Rick Perry's. It may be that remaining on the sideline for now and letting the other candidates spend money, beat each other up and flame out could end up being the more prudent plan. And barring something extreme happening, like a national disaster that can unite voters behind a sitting president, and/or a major scandal involving the GOP nominee— Romney, Perry or Palin could each handily defeat Barack Obama.
     
  8. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I think it's unlikely Obama will be re-elected, but that it's not impossible. Either way, the reason I think a challenger from within his own party would have arisen by now is that the Iowa caucuses are not so far away, and it takes a lot of money and a lot of supporters on the ground to win state by state, and that takes time to assemble. Besides, there hasn't been a peep out of any of the Democrats who might have the stature to take him on.

    So basically, I think all the top Democrats are waiting for 2016, hoping that a Republicn president will have continued to botch things up where once again the American public will be ready for specious "change".
     

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