Illegal’s get to go to College

Some people may not agree but I think it is a good think. Let them go to school here and pay those crazy high rates out of pocket. I also like the part about them being bumped if there is a legal student who wants to take the class and it’s full.

Two Weeks Notice: A Latin American Politics Blog: Undocumented immigrants and community college

 

Better here than there.

 

WHAT??? IF they want to come here and attend school then let them. How does that in any way sound spiteful? If anyone values an American Education so much they will break the law to get it, then let them pay the price.

 

You take a trip to Mexico and see if they will let you attend college without any papers or proof of who you are. I think that what these colleges are doing is more than fair.

 

I agree with you, let them in or don't.

 

Unfortunately, it's just politics. All progress is incremental, we will not just "let them in". I am very pro-immigration and I think that our current policies are awful, horrible, perhaps even evil (please forgive me, those who disagree). I support small seemingly contradictory steps like this one. Just consider jurisdiction, etc, when policies don't make sense when compared to each other.

I think this is great.

 

Actually, if you don't get the student visa, most colleges won't let you register. What happens is that if you're already in the country, some schools will let you register as american student.

But about being competent to get a student visa, as someone that had to go through the process let me tell you this: to get a american visa, of any kind, is a fucking psychological torture since 9/11, specially if you're from a developing or third world country like me.

It doesn't matter if you have money and good education (my case) and/or have been accepted to a good school in the uSA - you're still treated like shit by the immigration officers, always like a potential illegal immigrant or terrorist and they have absolute powers to deny your visa without giving you any explanation why.

The process includes a fake interview that last less then 5 minutes where the immigration officer makes some random question that you already answered in the forms and they don't even pay attention to your answers - it's almost impossible not to think that such "interviews" are racial profiling in disguise.

I won't get in more details, but I'll just say that I can totally understand why someone that lives in the borders between Mexico/USA would sometimes decide to just come here illegally instead of going through this absurd system in place.

 

No one should be treated like a cockroach, but prospective students from poor countries with questionable finances (unlike, say Qatar or Kuwait) should be screened very carefully.

While I don't know if there are any studies on this, based on experience dealing with Nigerians who came here as F-1 students, a very high percentage never finished their degrees and very few ever returned to Nigeria. A major goal of educating students from developing countries in the U.S. is the hope that they will return to their home countries and use those skills to help create a more productive, just society there. The student visa route is not intended to be a backdoor to immigrate to the U.S.

 

I'm not questioning the right of the USA to screen and decide who should come here. I'm questioning the treatment given to people during this screening.

Americans don't any idea how humiliating it is and how bad their government tend to treat non-americans. The "fake interview" is just one example of that.

I also question the unlimited power that the immigrant agents have - if they don't like you for any reason (maybe you're ugly, not the right color, not the right clothes) or they think you're not being respectful (that basically means to stay silent and quiet, pretending you're not a human being with basic rights while they treat you like shit) they can arrest you and send you home with no reasons given and no appeal.

They can also arrest you for a month and you can't do nothing about it - because you're basically outside of the american rule of the law in this situation. The same crazy reasoning for Guantanamo is used for the treatment to immigrants.

It wasn't always like this - before 9/11 the US treated everyone like proper human beings. It's sad to see how stupid terrorist changed the US for bad.
They won in so many levels.

 

Right now I can't say that I am too fond of any immigrants to the US. Heck I can't find a job! The last thing we need is more people coming here. I do have a problem if people are being mistreated though. It should be a fair process for everyone. But sadly like stated above most people only get their student visas to gain back door entry into the US.

 

I'm not sure americans understand of how the USA got rich and prosperous thanks to free market and the imposing of free market in other countries (the Japan had its market opened with cannon fire by American ships...).

A lot o people lost jobs in their home countries with this, even if in the end we can say that in the end it was better for everybody. Immigration is pretty much the same - labor is just something to be traded too.

This kind of protectionist talk of yours but applied to immigration is going to backfire at the USA sooner or later. People from other countries will start to tax american products and make the life more difficult for american companies in retaliation.

(If you think the USA can survive without the outside world, think again. Even Hollywood blockbuster nowadays have about half of their profits from overseas markets. And that's probably the most "american" of all products!)

And if you think we are talking about to different thinks (people and companies), no we are not. For some small countries, the money sent by their immigrants in foreign lands is a huge part of their revenue.

That's my main problem - the mistreatment. First, you don't need to treat people like shit during the screening process.

Second, if they gave you a VISA in you home country, they should let you in. It's very common for a student to get a VISA, arrive in the USA and be deported without any good explanation.

 

I think you might be wrong my friend. We export a great deal of goods other countries can't live without, ag goods for one. We buy more than anyone; I doubt anyone wants to mess that up over an immigration issue. Oh, and I am sorry if you feel that I am "being a protectionist" it’s just we do not have jobs for the people here and I don't like the idea of competing for a job with someone who is willing to do it for half the price. It seems like you feel America should be kissing your ass because you want to come here live the good life instead of working to make your homeland a better place. I am so sorry they would not let you into the US to go to school or whatever. Your attitude is why people don’t like immigrants in main stream America; you act worse than most Americas with your attitude of entitlement.

 

This is true for most Southern California schools and colleges. One needs a SSN (or other approved documentation) or a student visa to register.

I just got back from another vacation in Alaska. Jobs there are plentyfull for the May-Sept time frame. Many of the hotel/restaurant service jobs are filled by foreigners (mostly Russians) who come legally for the summer or by retirees and students from the lower 48 who work in Alaska during the summer (we checked into doing this next year). Apparently not many people want these jobs.

 

Exactly my friend, that's a organic relationship - you buy a lot of cheap stuff overseas so you can produce better stuff here in the USA. For example, there's no iPhone without Taiwan.

If protectionist ideas like yours take hold around the world, everyone loses.

If you re-read my post you'll see that I like free trade and free market. In the long run that's good for everybody.

But in the short term people tend to lose jobs when an american company goes to another country. That's something that people around the world had to deal for decades and anyone that complained would be called "losers" by americans.

So I think is hypocrisy when an american complain about losing their jobs for immigrants - they are just experiencing the other side of free-market/free trade, something that is responsible for the richness of the USA and something that the american government has aggressively imposed on other countries (most of times with good arguments and trade deals, but sometimes with violence, like in the Japanese example, or backing dictatorships in other countries - like in Chile and my home country, Brazil).

I don't "feel" you're a protectionist - you are one. I mean, If you think american workers should be "protected" against foreigner workers that's protectionism. Do you even know what protectionism means?

If you see my signature you will realize that I've been living here in the USA since 2008, in San Francisco. My VISA wasn't denied, and this is the second time I've been living in your country - legally, I might add.

I don't think that anyone should kiss my ass because I'm here - at the same time I'd like to be treated as everyone else, not as a second class citizen.

The fact is that the treatment your government give to possible immigrants is horrible, that's a fact. We're treated like shit. Period.

And I'm talking about LEGAL immigrants. It's no wonder that there's so much illegal immigration to the USA. If you try to follow the rules you're treated like a criminal.

I love the USA and the american people and I'm more than able to separate the government from the people. It seems you're not. I'm not criticizing this great country and its people, but the ridiculous immigration system in place.

Most americans are NOT AWARE of how broke the system is. Every time I hear someone crying that the illegal immigrants should "GET IN LINE" as everyone else I have the urge to scream that THERE IS NO LINE!

Unless you consider 6 to 10 years in indentured servitude (aka H1B Visa) as a fair and just "line".

Funny thing is, most of my american friends tend to agree with that the the treatment that it's given to immigrants it's unfair.

You probably would classify then as unpatriotic or something like that, hun?

So, to ask for a more human treatment and rule of the law for immigrants is "Attitude of entitlement"? So be it.

Actually, I think is the other way around - your idea that some one deserves a job just because he's american, not because he's more qualified, better or more efficient - that's a "attitude of entitlement".

Actually, it's something pretty much anti-american and anti-american dream. That's why I say it's hypocrisy.

 

If you ever tell me I am being anti-American I swear to god! Your here on a student visa, you are not an American; you have no right to say that! My first post was two pages and I cut it way back. You are clear just another person who feels like they should get some golden ticket and be treated perfect when you come into this country. Oh no someone might be mean to me, hey try being black in America. That’s a way of life. You are just a stuck up snob, people like you are why other foreigners are treated poorly.

"Your idea that someone deserves a job just because he's American, not because he's more qualified, better or more efficient - that's an "attitude of entitlement".”

YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES...........An American should get a job over an immigrant every time! There are a lot of great Americans out their out of work. I was laid off and my friends are getting laid off left and right. We are just now getting hit with all this.

This is my last post in this thread. I did not want it to be something negative. I only thought it was good they went to school but also that the school got paid more.

 

Your conclusion clearly demonstrates that you don't know anything about Nigerians in the U.S.