CNN x's out Cheney

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  1. Guest

    Guest Guest

    During VP Cheney's speech yesterday, a black X appeared across the face of the VP several times. CNN says it was a technical error. Many think it was tactical.

    So, tactical or technical!

    Personally, I think this was a tactical move by (the) Clinton News Network.
     
  2. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    I certainly don't believe that it was an accident.

    But I really doubt if the CNN brass ordered it. If they wanted to trash the Vice-President, they would do it subtly by spinning the subsequent pundit commentary on his speech to make sure that viewers went away with the desired opinion.

    This X was too crude, it looks like a juvenile stunt. My guess is that some studio technician decided to do it on his own.

    What's more interesting is the way that the network is denying that somebody sabotaged their broadcast and is determinedly stonewalling.
     
  3. DesElms

    DesElms New Member

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    That's my guess, as well.
     
  4. Tom57

    Tom57 Member

    God produced the X. It makes complete sense.
     
  5. Jack Tracey

    Jack Tracey New Member

    So if it was a planned move, what is your interpretation?
    Jack
     
  6. Guest

    Guest Guest

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    To obviously show disdain toward the Bush Admin. as they do on a daily basis. Mind you, I am no Dick Cheney fan and think he is not an honest person. But the office of the VEEP deserves respect, no matter who is in the position.
     
  7. Guest

    Guest Guest

    BillD
    No doubt it was some discontented Generation X'er.
     
  8. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member



    Yeah, yeah, that's the ticket!



    Abner :)
     
  9. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

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    Actually Jimmy, I did it by using a special computer graphics television altering software program I bought at Fry's.


    Abner :) :)
     
  10. Tom57

    Tom57 Member

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    Jimmy,

    I disagree. How can an office deserve respect? People earn respect, not jobs or titles. If Cheney is dishonest, then he "deserves" to pay the penalty. What if Hitler were VP? Would he get a free ride because of the "office" of VP?
     
  11. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Re: Re: Re: Re: CNN x's out Cheney

    Hi Tom,

    Now why did you use Hitler as an example and not Stalin? :D

    Happy Thanksgiving, my friend!
     
  12. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I say X them all out!

    He probably did it because it's something of an Internet debating tradition. Sort of like using "foo" and "bar" in programming examples. :)

    But Jimmy, I have to agree with him. Political offices don't inherently deserve respect. In fact, I'd say they inherently deserve skepticism, if not active disrespect, since by definition political power tends to attract those who seek power over others.

    -=Steve=-
     
  13. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    Re: I say X them all out!


    Very true Steve.



    Abner
     
  14. DaveHayden

    DaveHayden New Member

    Re: I say X them all out!

    Wow,

    I don't think I could disagree with you more. Certainly politicians and others should be treated with a certain amount of skepticism, but disrespect? There are people with poor ethics and values in politics as in other fields, but there are also many people who serve very admirably and at great cost to themselves. I personally would place them with Police, Firemen, and Military Personel although those risking their lives certainly rank much higher. To automatically disrespect those we choose as out leaders seems a recipe for failure as a country.
     
  15. DaveHayden

    DaveHayden New Member

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    I always think those that resort to such extreme analogies do so because their position has few merits or value. I doubt Tom holds Democrat politicians with equal disdain.
     
  16. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

    Re: I say X them all out!

    And the more that power increases, the less is the impulse to serve and the more is the impulse to control.
     
  17. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Re: Re: I say X them all out!

    Indeed so, as explained by the Public Choice branch of economics.

    -=Steve=-
     
  18. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    Re: I say X them all out!

    I think that I disagree with that.

    I think that it's important to respect political offices and to maintain a minimum level of decorum regarding them. The United States isn't just a colored space on the map. It's something more intangible than that; it's a system. Government office is the embodiment of that system.

    But that doesn't mean that we are obligated to agree with everything that office holders say, or even to respect the individual that holds the office. Not only do American citizens have the right to disagree when they think that's appropiate, they have the positive responsibility to do so.

    I guess that I'm distinguishing between form and content. I'm distinuishing between the office on one hand, and the individuals and policies occupying office on the other. While the occupant can certainly be criticised, the office itself shouldn't be demeaned in the process. It's a narrow distinction, but I think that it's important.
     
  19. Guest

    Guest Guest

    I was kidding around with Tom. He and I have great respect for each other even though we disagree on most political issues. I have come to count him as a friend.

    I asked him this question tongue-in-cheek because it validated an earlier remark I made about Dems and the left and the GOP and the right.

    Dems seem to use right-winged dictators as examples of cruely; the GOP, left-winged dictators. And Dems seem to cozy up to left-winged dictators while the GOP seems to cozy up to right-winged dictators.

    As far as the office of the Veep. Hitler would never be a VP in a democracy. Therefore, Tom's question is moot.

    In a democracy, the any political office should be respected regardless of who holds that office.

    When Ford moved into the White House, the VP office was vacant for a short time. Even though no one was in it, the office was still respected.
     
  20. gkillion

    gkillion New Member

    It is indeed the office that commands respect. While it is perfectly acceptable to disagree with the person holding the office, it should be done in a respectful manner simply because of the office that person has attained.

    On the same note, the person holding the office also has an obligation to execute his/her duties in a manner that is respectful to the office. I think this sort of disrespect by the office holder is probably more prominent than that shown by people outside the office. I think we could probably compile a lengthy list of people on both sides of the aisle who have not held their office in a respectful manner.
     

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