Miers is out! Who next?

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  1. Rivers

    Rivers New Member

  2. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

  3. DaveHayden

    DaveHayden New Member

    Re: Re: Miers is out! Who next?

    I think it would be interesting for him to nominate some one more conservative but with a judicial background.
     
  4. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

    Re: Re: Re: Miers is out! Who next?

    The conspiratorial (strategery?) minded have suggested Miers as a sacrificial lamb or stalking horse (animaldiversion?) for a more preferred candidate.
     
  5. Tom H.

    Tom H. New Member

    The Administration has been severely weakened as a result of the Miers debacle and the impending indictment of at least one top aide. The President's best chance at getting a Supreme Court nominee confirmed will be to nominate a liberal Republican. I said it prior to the Roberts nomination, GW should nominate the Republican candidate (read: sacrificial lamb) for the U.S. Senate from New York - Jeanine Pirro. Pirro isn't going to beat Hillary in 2006, so why waste the talent in a futile effort?

    Jeanine Pirro

    She's a District Attorney with significant prosecutorial accomplishments, a former NY state judge and a frequent commentator on nightly cable talk shows. She may not be the Associate Justice that the conservatives hope will overturn Roe v. Wade but let's face reality, it's not going to happen anyway! I don't think that GW will find a more attractive candidate (at any level) out there. The thought that the President can push through a far-right wing type is absurd.
     
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  6. Mr. Engineer

    Mr. Engineer member

  7. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Too bad.

    I was sorry to see it, really. I was behaving like the REST of us democrats and sitting quietly by, wondering if the President would kowtow to the Religious Right.

    He did, I guess, but I think that since the chorus of republican criticism was not restricted to the Religious Right, I am not justified in saying that the Religious Right can actually dictate to the White House.

    But you can bet that the RR will be claiming exactly that in the next few days.
     
  8. mcdirector

    mcdirector New Member

    Personally, I hope the religious right keeps their collective mouths shut. They are a disgrace to all of us who are conservatively religious.

    I'm not sure (if I were tremendously qualified) I'd even consider going through the nomination/ confirmation process. And I don't think Meiers was tremendously qualified. She may well have made a great justice, but without the hearings, we don't have a clue.
     
  9. DTechBA

    DTechBA New Member

    No judicial experience necessary..

    41% of past Supreme Court justices had no judicial experience. Some of our greatest justice, liberal and conservative, had never been judges. Many had less experience than Miers.....
     
  10. DaveHayden

    DaveHayden New Member

    Unfortunately the Left was swarming in preparation for the kill with Miers. Her responses good, bad, or otherwise wouldn't have mattered only the chance for the opposition to look tough. I think it was a wise decision to front another candidate that can effectively take them on.
     
  11. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

  12. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    No, his best chance is nominate a bullet-proof conservative like John Roberts.
     
  13. Tom H.

    Tom H. New Member

    Re: Too bad.


    Nos,

    It was a shame because Miers was probably the best we were going to get from this Administration. My suggestion for Jeanine Pirro is wishful thinking. The Dems needed to get behind Sen. Harry Reid and quietly back the candidate. However, when you consider the egos of some of the leading Democrats in the Senate, it just wasn't possible. Sen. Schumer appointed himself the Democratic point man on this nomination and proceeded to heap criticism on Miers before the hearings could even get started. Schumer is in a safe Senate seat and can appeal to his liberal constituency without consequences.

    Many of his fellow Democrats can't and won't, though, and will be forced to vote for whoever the President nominates next, especially if it is a woman and/or minority candidate. Unfortunately for the country, this will only happen after a long and protracted battle with lasting consequences to the Senate. The only thing to hope for, at least for those of us who are true moderates, is that the White House feels irreparably damaged by the combination of Iraq and the CIA Leak Affair and feels that they must put up a moderate nominee.

    Bruce's contention that the GOP would be well-served by nominating a "bullet-proof conservative" is the recipe for a full-blown partisan battle in the Senate that won't end until the next national election. If you are a die-hard right-wing Republican then this is what you have been waiting for. Democrats don't despair, I don't think that the Dem Senators will rollover and give-up so easily on this one.

    Republicans were fooled by the ease with which Roberts was confirmed; Roberts was uniquely well-qualified with almost unassailable credentials. (NOTE: That didn't stop Sen. Schumer from ripping him anyway - what a blowhard!) The next right-wing nominee they put up will pale in comparison and give the Dems grounds for opposition. GW does not want to be a "lame duck" for the remainder of his second term and to accomplish any of his legislative agenda he needs at least some Democratic support.
     
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  14. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    I dunno. If GWB stays true-to-type he may well nominate another conservative but well educated, well respected non ideologue.
     
  15. DaveHayden

    DaveHayden New Member

    Boy, that would be good for both sides, no?
     
  16. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    Re: Re: Too bad.

    If G.W. nominates a bullet-proof conservative along the lines of John Roberts (impeccable credentials and judicial record), the Democrats are going to look like the biggest jackasses in the world if they try to filibuster the nominee.

    Chuck Schumer, right before the Roberts hearings, said something like (paraphrasing) "We know the President is going to nominate a conservative, and that's his right. Our concern is going to be whether the person is qualified and fit for the job".

    Words that might come back to bite him.
     
  17. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    I think Benjamin Cardozo of New York would be an excellent nominee. He has much judicial experience, appreciates classical literature, has written many books, comes from a distinguished family, leads a blameless bachelor's life, has already been nominated for the Supreme Court by President Hoover and confirmed, served for several years with distinction on the Court, and has been dead for decades.

    This last should fully qualify him in the eyes of the current administration and its critics across the aisle. Should he be nominated, I would expect speedy and perhaps unanimous confirmation.
     
  18. Kit

    Kit New Member

    The most scathing criticism of her nomination seemed to come from the Right, including conservative pundits who are not part of the Religious Right:

    Charles Krauthammer: Oct. 6

    George Will: Oct. 4 Oct. 5 Oct. 23

    Ann Coulter: Oct. 12 Oct. 19

    The National Review even went so far as circulating a petition calling for the withdrawl of her nomination.


    Kit
     
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  19. Rivers

    Rivers New Member

    Samuel Alito it is! Not a bad choice IMO.
     
  20. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Initial reservations

    After the Chief Justice and the new Fed chairman, I AM disappointed.

    It would appear that the President selected Judge Alito largely as a sop to his largest reamining group of supporters, the religious right. The nominee is said to be an ideologue.

    Well, these are but first impressions based upon reputation. We'll see.
     
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