Are Downing Street memos authentic or elaborate hoax?

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44876

 

Neither the Bush Administration nor the U.K. government has dened the memo's accuracy or authenticity though both governments HAVE made public statements on the subject. The memo is real. We will always have conspiracy theorists amongst us but this time they are further off base even than usual.

 

Retyped Copies...

What a joke. Who thinks retyped copies from the articles author no les can be a valid source for a newspaper article? The press is out there as always. As for the lack of a denial, there wasn't one from the Bush White House on the guard memos either and like nosborne's comments above were initially given as reason the memos had to be true. Denials only fuel a fire that may die on its own. This one is burning on its own so and seems to be burning the author so why issue a denial. The press is out of control if they can make their own documents and print an articl on that basis.....

 

It seems this is mostly an issue for the left wing politicians and radio spinsters. The public and the general press see this as a non-issue.

 

I agree that it is a non issue in America because the Bush haters, including me, learned nothing new from the memo whilst the Bush supporters will go to whatever lengths necessary to explain it away.

 

Wow...

Explain it away? Go to great lengths to debunk "admittedly" forged (or copied) documents? If the shoe was on the other foot and Rush or O'Reilly had admitted to creating a document for a story the lefties would be in high holler. It just goes to show the hypocricy.....

 

The Bush administration has been able to manipulate the press to a degree that hasn't been seen since Nixon. Case in point: Newsweek reports that the Koran has been flushed down a toilet at Gitmo. The White House quickly denies it saying that what Newsweek reported was irresponsible. Newsweek retracts the story.

The truth: The Koran was torn and otherwise abused -- so perhaps while it might not have been flushed down the toilet, it but it was abused.

The press is not owned or controlled by the Bushies. I want a press that questions each and every motive of the President. Every politician, civil employee, or contractor who receives my tax dollars needs to to justify each and every action. If they can't or won't, then they are undeserving of the position. The difference between the private and public sector is this: I have to justify my actions to my boss and the BOD - as public employees: You have to justify your actions to me.

I have no doubt there is at least some credibility to the Downing Street memo. Even the ex-Bushies have said on numerous times that Bush was told that there were no more WMD's but it is apparent Bush wanted the war anyway. It is too bad that the leaders don't actually lead the charge - I bet you if they did, things would be very different.

 

Read the report

 

Exactly!

Good points Nosborne:

I firmly believe we will start to see many more documents, evidence, etc. start to surface. When you enlist the help of others to support a lie, people start talking.


Abner

 

I know this isn't going to sound right, but given what those murdering savages have done to Americans (911, numerous other terrorist attacks, and beheadings, mutiliations in Iraq) I'd flush that f***ing Koran straight to hell, along with the hateful messages of violence and intolerance that it preaches.....

 

Carl:

While I may agree with you in principle regarding that religious faith and the actions of some of its adherents, remind me never to invite you as a guest speaker to the local Kiwanis Club or the Ladies' Auxiliary. You tend to be just a mite provocative.

 

Oh come on! They'd LOVE me.... especially since I'm such a handsome rake.....

 

He he he!

He he he!


Abner

 

DTechBA:

I must have missed something somewhere...has ANYONE in the U.K. government disavowed the memo? has ANYONE in the U.S. Administration claimed that the memo is either a forgery or a hoax? Is ANYONE in a position of authority actually saying such a thing or is this merely hate radio speculation?

 

That isn't the point....

He showed a memo and claimed it was true and only fessed up after he was called on it. I said that if Rush or O'Reilly had done it you would be up in arms and you would be.

Also, I'll play your little game. Has anyone said it is true? Without a doubt certain elements of it are true and that is why no one comes out and says, "no, it is not true". No one come out over the Newsweek report either because certain elements had some truth to it and to claim it was totally untrue would leave you open to charges of cover-up, lying etc. Look at how you are acting over an admittedly FAKE document. It wasn't shown to be untrue until the actual document was released. However, the fact that he had it tricked up to look real, down to the secret stamps, meant he intended for it to be accepted as genuine. Otherwise, he would have said, "Here are notes I copied from a real memo I saw". However, that doesn't have the "gotcha" impact of a "real" document. And just why would anyone in the US government have a view on the validity of a British government document, doesn't make much sense.

Fact, anyone who would claim a fake document is real has zero credibility. This is a site about people who claim fake credentials and you bash them all the time. But because what this guy did supports your view of the world you are accepting a totally fraud and defending it to the hilt. Maybe you should check your conscience. BTW, I don't listen to hate radio and I don't watch Fox news. Do you listen to the lefty version of hate ....

 

Um. Isn't the real question whether THIS memo is real? And unlike our press, which has been giving the President a free ride for the last few years, the U.K. press is burning Tony Blair pretty badly. He hasn't disclaimed the memo. It's real.

 

Once again....

You miss the point. The memo which was presented as real was in fact, a fake. The presenter has admitted as such.

Also, the memo itself reveals absolutely zero that isn't known already. There was disagreement in both governments on whether or not to go into Iraq.

 

'Scuse me again. I hadn't heard that the original memo was a fake; where did you get that?

 

I give up....

You either can't or won't understand the point of this debate. But lets keep it simple:

1. The memo presented by the reporter as a real document was a fake. It was not a xerox or a scanned copy. The reporter created it himself. He has confessed to that.

2. No proof has been demonstrated either to the positive or negative that the original document it was allegedly copied from even existed. You claim there or no denials but neither is there any proof beyond the claims of a reporter who already has some integrity issues.

3. Any reporter that presents a forged document and claims it is an original like this one did has some integrity issues.

4. If the shoe was on the other foot, and a conservative reporter was doing the same thing you would be screaming like a scalded cat.

5. It's old news that adds nothing to the debate.

 

WHO SAID IT WAS A FAKE??? Please ANSWER that question. I haven't been able to find ANYTHING that says so.