2008 presidential campaign underway

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  1. Guest

    Guest Guest

    My, my, President Bush just took the oath for a second term and the 2008 race is already underway!

    Of the Republicans listed in the article, my choices are, in order,

    1. Governor Mitt Romney of MA
    2. Senator Chuck Hagel of NE
    3. Governor George Pataki of NY
    4. Senator John McCain of AZ
    5. Senator Bill Frist of TN
    6. Former Mayor Rudy Giuliani NYC

    Not listed but would favor over others--Secretary of State Condie Rice

    Republicans I would definitely not vote for,

    1. Senator Rick Santorium PA
    2. Former Congressman Newt Gingrich GA

    Of the Democrats listed in the article, my choices are, in order,

    1. Senator Evan Bayh of IN

    Not listed but would vote for if the GOP nominates someone too far to the right, Senator Joesph Lieberman

    Democrats I would definitely not vote for,

    Except for Bayh and Lieberman I wouldn't vote for any!
     
  2. Veteran101

    Veteran101 New Member

    Im confused Jimmy.

    You like Condi, you like Bayh.

    Condi I can understand but Bayh?

    This clown is so left wing he makes Tom57s view look like a full scale Republican.
    Bayh spent as much time on the Senate floor crying worse than Grand Dragon Byrd over Rice.

    He voted Nay on her and Gonzalas

    No offense Jimmy but heck, I would support Hillary over this clown.
    Well, if they were my only choices I might move to Aruba, then again Aruba sounds nice now. Aruba, where happiness lives:D
     
  3. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Now don't pick ;) on my favorite Democrat, Tom57. He may be liberal but he is fair and has consistency and constantcy. He has convictions and stands by them.

    Evan Bayh was an excellent governor in Indiana and won reelection to the U.S. Senate with nearly 70% of the vote in a very conservative and GOP state. Bush won with similar numbers.

    Bayh is a moderate. Yes, he votes left at times, but right at other times, which makes him a moderate. He understand the global infrastructure of terrorism, unlike most other Democrats.

    Most in the political world of consider Bayh a "moderate liberal populist." He voted to ban partial birth abortions, has a sound civil rights voting record, supports the death penalty (BOO!), voted yes on school choice, is strong on the environment, is strong on gun control, supports private self-managed SS accounts, supports the war in Iraq and the war on terrorism.

    This is hardly a flaming liberal!

    Bayh is honest. He has core values and convictions. I actually don't mind voting for someone to the right of me or to the left of me if, if they have real values, convictions, and don't engage in political expediency. That's why I could have voted for McCain or Bradley in 2000.

    They stood for something because it was in their core.

    Well, lessons done, sermon done, time to get ready for a GREAT fight between Zab Judah and Corey Spinks on Showtime.

    Keep punching!
     
  4. Tireman4

    Tireman4 member

    Jimmy,

    An update on my books. I actually read while I had the flu. My eyes would water and I would have to take 5 minute naps, but I read 3 books that way. This is just torture. Pure torture. I am glad that Dr Glatthaar is one of the most respected Civil War historians around, or I would just about die. I am now on book 12 of 18. Argghhhh!. About the election, stop it. I dont want to think about it. Why cant it be like old days (Pre-1900's) where you did not know until the convention and even then you still did not know. Remember Lincoln did not get selected until the third ballot of voting at the Republican convention in Chicago. He was the darkhorse in 1860. There are no Democrats I see at this time that tickles my fancy...so we shall wait and see.
     
  5. jugador

    jugador New Member

    Jimmy: I'd sure include Gov. Bill Owens of Colorado. A sharp guy and very popular out west. What's wrong with Jeb? Fantastic record of hurricane relief that has even the nutty New Yorker Floridians around Palm Beach singing his praises. Married to a Mexican woman, speaks fluent Spanish, and is Catholic. Would bring tens of millions of otherwise apathetic voters to the GOP side. Hispanics are definitely in play. With 40% already having gone for W, Jeb could help make them a permanent GOP block while the Dems continue to court wacko leftists and spin into the ground like an out of control plane.
     
  6. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Hey Michael,

    Glad you're feeling better and getting those books read. My eyes water if I read a long time even when I don't have the flu. Eighteen books for one course is what you're required to read? Wow! I would like to see a convention in 2008 that goes two or three ballots myself. Don't think it will ever happen again unless the primary system is overhauled. Take care.
     
  7. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Hi jugador,

    I like Owens well enough but I am disappointed in his wanting Ward Churchill fired from the University of Colorado. Churchill is an idiot in my opinion and he seems to hate America, but I believe in academic freedom.

    Owens says the students are being influenced by Churchill's views. When I was in undergrad school I was taught that college teaches one how to think. If the students are that fickle to be influenced by Churchill, they don't need to be in college anyway.

    Jeb is all right and I like him. I don't think America will tolerate a Bush Dynasty, maybe a Ming Dynasty (great art), ha!

    Besides, he cannot seem to get a handle on the Department of Children and Families fiasco. And, I have never been convinced there weren't some shenanigans during the 2000 race.

    Just never seemed coincidental the one state that caused the problem was the state one of the candidate's brother governed.
     
  8. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Interesting article in today's Indianapolis Star.
     
  9. Veteran101

    Veteran101 New Member

    Now Jimmy,

    To me Bayh seems rather racist and seeks division.
    He voted no to Rice and Gonzales.

    Sorry just had too!

    :D

    Now you told me to keep punching
     
  10. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Hillary over Bayh in 2008? The big question is: When will Chelsea be old enough to run? (Hint: She must be 35 by her inauguration, whatever year that is.)
     
  11. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    Mitt Romney will no doubt be a player in 2008, but he needs to get re-elected as MA Governor in 2006 first. That's no sure thing, considering the blind sheeple voters of Massachusetts, who would vote for Charles Manson as long as he ran as a Democrat. :rolleyes:
     
  12. Mr. Engineer

    Mr. Engineer member

    You mean the same type of blind sheep voters who put a liar like GW back in office?

    :rolleyes:
     
  13. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Massachusetts went for Kerry.
     
  14. Guest

    Guest Guest

    From all accounts Romney has been a good Governor. I cannot think of a Massachusetts governor in recent history who has not been reelected. I would guess he will get reelected.
     
  15. Dan Cooper

    Dan Cooper New Member

    I don't think Sen. Bayh is well known enough outside of Indiana to have a chance at getting elected. He would make a much better VP candidate. He could help pull some of the republican and swing voters, and possibly pull his own state of IN.

    Now if Gore decides to run again in 2008, a Gore/Bayh ticket seems like a good possibility.
     
  16. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Re: Re: 2008 presidential campaign underway

    I don't know. He's much better known than either Carter or Clinton and look what happened with them.
     
  17. Casey

    Casey New Member

    Jimmy! Long time, no talk. How goes it?

    I am not that familiar with Romney. Do you know what his stance on abortion is?

    Also, how come you don't like Santorum? What am I missing? I think a Jeb Bush and Rick Santorum ticket would be a winner for the Republicans.
     
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  18. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Doing fine, thanks! Romney is a Mormon and is pro-life. However, he as Governor supports a woman's right to choose. He says he has to uphold the law of the land.

    Romney, like his father, is about as squeaky clean as one can get for a politician.

    I like Santorium all right but I just don't have a good gut feeling about him. He's too far to the right, for one thing. I know Specter endorsed him when he sought the senate seat but still I just have an unsettling feeling about him.
     
  19. BinkWile

    BinkWile New Member

    Re: Re: 2008 presidential campaign underway

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    I agree. it also looks like Gore may be trying a Nixon-like comeback. He's already positioning himself with his recent speach on the Kyoto treaty, his opposition to the Bush administration, and he's made a major coup over the Clintons with Dean winning the DNC chairmanship.

    I think Gore would have a great chance in winning the party nomination. Granted, he would need to fight like hell, but it's conceivable that Gore could beat out Kerry or Edwards, and depending on Hillary's 2006 senate re-election race, he may stand a shot.

    As for how successful he'd be remains to be seen, and American's may still be thinking of the 2000 fiasco when they got o the polls.

    I think 2008 should be fascinating though.
     
  20. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Re: Re: Re: 2008 presidential campaign underway

    I'm still laughing at the sight Gore speaking in NYC last year, during one of the coldest days of the winter, on the effects of global warming. :D
     

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