Hanoi John's Stolen Honor Video Online

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  1. Dave Wagner

    Dave Wagner Active Member

  2. grgrwll

    grgrwll New Member

  3. Khan

    Khan New Member

    Yes, if only John kerry hadn't come out against that necessary and just war! Communism wouldn't have spread like wild fire all through southeast asia, engulfing............uh, uh, uh, wait. Nevermind.
     
  4. Dave Wagner

    Dave Wagner Active Member

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    Friend,

    OK, so Hanoi John Kerry didn't do or say the things he said he did...? Which lies are being spread? Do some research and you'll know who is disgracing the country.

    Best wishes,

    Dave
     
  5. grgrwll

    grgrwll New Member

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    So it's the ALL of the people who served on Kerry's swift boat who are lying? Right?

    Let me ask you this Dave: Do you have any shrapnel embedded in your body? John Kerry does. He served our country. He went to war. And you belittle his service.

    I thought that one of the lessons we learned from the Vietnam war is that we should respect your troops, even if we don't agree with the war. I didn't agree with the Vietnam war. I don't agree with the Iraq war. But I would NEVER denigrate anyone's service.

    You, my friend, are no different from the people who spit on the men coming home from Vietnam. You're just doing it 30 years later, from the comfort of your computer. In your own sad way, you are spitting on someone because you don't believe they served in the way you think they should.

    Spit on, Dave, spit on.
     
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  6. DaveHayden

    DaveHayden New Member

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    Agree with you totally that he volunteered to serve his country and should be proud of that portion of his record.

    Obviously this is horrible, but when the rhetoric gets high it seems to come from both sides equally

    The problem I have is with someone who apparently volunteered because he considers himself the next JFK and then 3 months later is skiddatling it (sp?) back state side.

    Either he used an obsure rule others had never heard of, or his commanding officier "convinced" him to get out of Vietnam for the safety of his fellow soldiers. This is also the John Kerry who attacks Bush for not releasing his military records while he, himself, hasn't. Too bad we don't have a better choice this November.
     
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  7. Khan

    Khan New Member

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    The three months thing really minimizes it well but it's not accurate. He was in for almost 4 years. You don't join the military for 4 years and volunteer for hazardous duty because you want to be a politician. To be a politician, you call your daddy and have him pull strings so that you won't have to be in danger.

    Kerry's record:
    MILITARY:
    Feb 1966
    Formally enlists in U.S. Navy
    Feb 1968
    Deployed to Western Pacific aboard the USS Gridley and requests duty in Vietnam

    Nov 1968
    Reports for duty in Vietnam

    Dec 1968
    Experiences first intense combat and earns first Purple Heart

    Feb 1969
    Earns second Purple Heart & the Silver Star

    Mar 1969
    Earns the Bronze Star for saving the life of a fellow soldier

    Mar 1970
    Separated from active service


    __________________
     
  8. grgrwll

    grgrwll New Member

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    And the same John Kerry who challenged Bush to a debate on Vietnam. Not Iraq. Vietnam.

    Bush served his country. He might not have done it in the way some people would like, but he did it. Period. I honor his service, and thank him for it. Denigrating the service of EITHER of these men is simply wrong, and, frankly, anti-American.

    However, I agree that I wish we had some better alternatives. I guess I'll vote for Badnarik, since I know my state will go for Bush anyway.
     
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  9. Dave Wagner

    Dave Wagner Active Member

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    Friend,

    May I suggest that your response is bit strident, even rabid, considering that I posted a streaming video link without comment?

    Hanoi John Kerry was venerated by the North Vietnamese government, and my opinion is that he is a clueless, waffling idealistic. However, in the unlikely event that he is elected, I will follow him as my commander-in-chief up to the point when the guilty verdict comes back from the impeachment trial...

    Nobody is spitting on Vietnam Vets, least of all me. I'm an Air Force Kid and my Dad served (and lost buddies) in Vietnam. Dad gets so agitated when talking about Hanoi John Kerry and Hanoi Jane Fonda that I avoid discussing the election with him.

    May I suggest that you rethink your position and try to articulate it in a civil tone?

    Best wishes,

    Dave
     
  10. DaveHayden

    DaveHayden New Member

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    I just think we need to apply the same standards to both candidates. If we are going to examin one's record with a fine tooth comb we should do so to the other also. I guess i disagree with your un-American comment, but, frankly, can not explain why. Perhaps I am just flat out wrong on that. In any event, take care.
     
  11. grgrwll

    grgrwll New Member

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    You could suggest it, but it would not be true. You called him "Hanoi John." We all know what you meant. Like if I had called you "Auschwitz Dave."

    Not literally, obviously. But you are spreading lies and denigrating a person BECAUSE of his service to this country. You might as well be spitting on him.
     
  12. grgrwll

    grgrwll New Member

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    I agree. They both served our country. I thank both of them.

    Meanwhile, terrorists released a video of 11 Iraqi troops being murdered today.

    But let's focus on a war that ended 25 years ago. That's what's important.
     
  13. Dave Wagner

    Dave Wagner Active Member

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    Friend,

    What lies? Have you even watched the video or read Hanoi John's own account of what he did to protest a war that was already withdrawn from? As I suggested, you should study what Hanoi John did after he "won" his three purple hearts, after being sent to a desk job, while soldiers were still fighting, dying and being imprisoned in Vietnam.

    By the way, I'm trying to be polite in the wake of your seemingly boundless ignorance on the topic...

    Best wishes,

    Dave
     
  14. grgrwll

    grgrwll New Member

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    Yep, soldiers were still fighting, dying, and being imprisoned in Vietnam. John Kerry tried to put a stop to it. Bastard.
     
  15. Dave Wagner

    Dave Wagner Active Member

    Friend,

    Once again I need to correct you. There is some evidence to suggest that Hanoi John Kerry actually lengthened and complicated the political processes that were already in play to end the war, long before he saw an opportunity to make a name for himself...

    Best wishes,

    Dave
     
  16. Tom57

    Tom57 Member

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    And the evidence is???? If you read the transcript from Kerry's speech to Congress (have you?), you will notice that he speaks in reverence for his fellow soldiers. His anger is directed at the Administration and the duties they were forced to fulfill under that Administration.

    I love how the conservative chatter also includes armchair psychiatry: Kerry wants to be another JFK. Remember we heard the same about Clinton from the right bank. Conservatives we're literally foaming at the mouth that Clinton gesticulated in a way that was similar to JFK.
     
  17. BLD

    BLD New Member

    Actually, I heard it was the foil wrapper from a stick of Juicy Fruit he had in his back pocket.
     
  18. Khan

    Khan New Member

    Stick with the invective and dogma. Comedy ain't your thing.
     
  19. BLD

    BLD New Member

    Who said I was joking?
     
  20. DaveHayden

    DaveHayden New Member

    I thought it was probably both funny and true. I can also understand why his commanding officier wanted him out his unit FAST!
     

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