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    Quote Originally Posted by mdwolfsong View Post
    Thanks for the info Jeff. It does give me hope that I might be able to find a full time online teaching job at the undergraduate level without the PhD.
    On ground might be feasible but I don't know about online. The only schools that I know that hire full time online faculty are Kaplan , AIU , Walden, South, Capella and TUI and all ask for a PhD even for undergraduate teaching .

    I think what Jeff is referring to are Universities or colleges located in small cities or rural areas where they have a hard time attracting PhD holders but it is not the case for metropolitan areas where PhDs are a dime a dozen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFValve View Post
    On ground might be feasible but I don't know about online. The only schools that I know that hire full time online faculty are Kaplan , AIU , Walden, South, Capella and TUI and all ask for a PhD even for undergraduate teaching .

    I think what Jeff is referring to are Universities or colleges located in small cities or rural areas where they have a hard time attracting PhD holders but it is not the case for metropolitan areas where PhDs are a dime a dozen.
    While most of our full-time faculty who teach online live in proximity to one of our three campuses, we do have a few full-time online faculty and, yes, we look for those with doctoral degrees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony Pina View Post
    While most of our full-time faculty who teach online live in proximity to one of our three campuses, we do have a few full-time online faculty and, yes, we look for those with doctoral degrees.
    Prof Pina, thanks for sharing this. What are salaries like for full time online faculty at Sullivan University if it is possible to share this with us? Most full time online faculty positions would pay between 50K to 70K for starting positions and most have year to year contracts with teaching and administration duties. Most schools would expect you to teach 5 classes per term during 4 times a year.

    Many online faculty members have expressed at some online adjunct forums that is better to teach as an adjunct with a Master's degree for multiple schools that having to do a doctorate and teach full time for one school. As there are no tenure track positions for online faculty yet, both adjunct and full time seem to share about the same risk when it comes to job security so some question the value of the doctorate for this position.

    Although it is quite possible to make a living as an adjunct today with only a master's degree, it seems that this might change in the near future so the best bet would be to do one if one would want to stay in the teaching business.

    I believe that the investment for an online doctorate is considerable so if a person would want to stay competitive with a doctorate, I would consider the SA doctorates for an online teaching career given their low cost and flexible format.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RFValve View Post
    Prof Pina, thanks for sharing this. What are salaries like for full time online faculty at Sullivan University if it is possible to share this with us? Most full time online faculty positions would pay between 50K to 70K for starting positions and most have year to year contracts with teaching and administration duties. Most schools would expect you to teach 5 classes per term during 4 times a year.

    Many online faculty members have expressed at some online adjunct forums that is better to teach as an adjunct with a Master's degree for multiple schools that having to do a doctorate and teach full time for one school. As there are no tenure track positions for online faculty yet, both adjunct and full time seem to share about the same risk when it comes to job security so some question the value of the doctorate for this position.

    Although it is quite possible to make a living as an adjunct today with only a master's degree, it seems that this might change in the near future so the best bet would be to do one if one would want to stay in the teaching business.

    I believe that the investment for an online doctorate is considerable so if a person would want to stay competitive with a doctorate, I would consider the SA doctorates for an online teaching career given their low cost and flexible format.
    I never got a straight answer on how much South University pays for the fulltime positions but it is something like $65K and you teach 3 classes per term (8 terms). The killer is that you could not adjunct for anyone else if you are full time with them. While I could make more then that being a "full time adjunct" the security is missing. My goal (at some point) is to give up my day job, teach full time online and enjoy life.

    The SA dcotorates are a great low cost option. If my PhD was not covered by tuition assistance I probably would have explored that more. I know people see NCU, UoP , and Capella as over priced doctorates but my NCU doctorate cost me less then a SA one.

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    South was recently opening up some new positions. My faculty advisor emailed me and recommended that I apply and hinted that I would have a very good chance of getting hired. I only have a Masters.

    It was the non-competition clause that caused me to decline to do so. With the recent DOJ lawsuit, that might have been a good choice. I don't know what the pay would have been, but I know I made more last year by combining my full time job at a community college, with my online adjuncting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFValve View Post
    Prof Pina, thanks for sharing this. What are salaries like for full time online faculty at Sullivan University if it is possible to share this with us? Most full time online faculty positions would pay between 50K to 70K for starting positions and most have year to year contracts with teaching and administration duties. Most schools would expect you to teach 5 classes per term during 4 times a year.

    Many online faculty members have expressed at some online adjunct forums that is better to teach as an adjunct with a Master's degree for multiple schools that having to do a doctorate and teach full time for one school. As there are no tenure track positions for online faculty yet, both adjunct and full time seem to share about the same risk when it comes to job security so some question the value of the doctorate for this position.

    Although it is quite possible to make a living as an adjunct today with only a master's degree, it seems that this might change in the near future so the best bet would be to do one if one would want to stay in the teaching business.

    I believe that the investment for an online doctorate is considerable so if a person would want to stay competitive with a doctorate, I would consider the SA doctorates for an online teaching career given their low cost and flexible format.
    It is difficult to answer the question because there is a variation in salaries. Most are probably in the range that you state, but I know some that are in the six figures (usually those with both teaching and significant administrative duties). We do not have collective bargaining, so every faculty contract is unique and negotiated according to a number of factors, e.g. whether one has doctoral degree, is teaching at the undergraduate or graduate level, the demand of the discipline (some disciplines are harder to recruit than others) and what they faculty member brings to the table.

    For example the retired general, the retired CEO of a large firm and the academic with a large record of publications, presentations and grants, were each given higher salaries than those with "fresh" PhDs and not as much experience or accomplishments. Our Doctor of Pharmacy faculty make more than those teaching in an undergrad certificate program. Graduate faculty also have lighter teaching loads than undergraduate faculty.
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    Could someone elaborate on the significance of having an intermediate graduate degree such as the Ed.S., or C.A.G.S. in relation to acquiring online adjunct positions. I am soon to be a newly minted Ed.S. and must decide to either go on with the Ph.D./Ed.D. journey or not. In addition, I notice that Liberty University 's ED.S. seems to have more of a theory and research component that many other Ed.S. programs. I have noticed that many Ed.S. programs are mainly practice focused with less research/theory. I believe that is why Liberty University allows our Ed.S. to smoothly roll into the Ed.D. in that we ED.S. students take nine Ed.D. courses and one that is specific to the Ed.S. degree tract and not transferable to the Ed.D. Does any one have any comments? Your feedback will certainly be appreciated as it will help me decide what is next .
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    Quote Originally Posted by RFValve View Post
    I think what Jeff is referring to are Universities or colleges located in small cities or rural areas where they have a hard time attracting PhD holders but it is not the case for metropolitan areas where PhDs are a dime a dozen.
    Correct. I missed the "online" qualifier in the OP. Both jobs are primarily B&M jobs, though both have (voluntary) online components.
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    Depending on the academic discipline, folks can do really well with master's degrees in small community colleges in isolated areas in the rural south. Here in Arkansas, the 2 year colleges are desperate for folks with masters degrees in Nursing .

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