Way of topic: Marriage, Horror, And Susan Reimer

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    Marriage, Horror, And Susan Reimer
    Take Horror. It's A Better Bet.

    July 21, 2003
    by Fred Reed

    Were I to offer thoughts on marriage to young American men today, in
    these the declining years of a once-great civilization, my advice
    would be as follows: Don't do it. Or, if you do, do it in another
    country. In America marriage is a grievous error.

    And why so? Because of The Chip. The Attitude. The bandsaw whine of
    anger, anger, anger that makes American women an international
    horror. It's there. It's real.

    You, a young man, may not recognize the Chip if you have never seen
    normal, warm, happy women. If you are twenty-something and haven't
    been out of the US, you haven't seen them. They exist by the billion-
    in Latin America, Singapore, Taiwan, Malaya, China and, last I
    looked, France and Holland. And of course not every woman in America
    carries the Chip. None of them think they do. Yet it is the default,
    the usual, what comes out of the box.

    The following is a perfectly ordinary, everyday, bulk-lot example,
    suitable for poisoning a cistern:

    "Other than a 29-inch waist and a full head of hair, there isn't much
    to recommend the twentysomething male…He is living an extended
    adolescence -- an adult-olescence -- and every immature,
    irresponsible, self-absorbed thing he does is reinforced by the
    latest issue of his favorite men's magazine." (Susan Reimer, a
    columnist for the Baltimore Sun. I bet she goes out a lot.)*

    Hers is the Attitude -- and what they think of you. It is the
    defining trait of American women. Exceptions exist, and they have my
    apologies, but they are few, and no, sport, your Sally probably isn't
    one of them. They're coiled to bite. As soon as problems arise in the
    marriage, they turn into Susan.

    Susan Reimer is what is out there, guys: bitter that no one wants her
    (as who in his right mind could?), sure that no one is good enough
    for her, never having grasped that those who would be loved must
    first be lovable. Understand this: Susan is America. Some hide it
    better, springing it on you after the ceremony, but Susan is the
    rule.

    The Susans do not like men. Sometimes they actually take courses in
    disliking men ("Women's Studies"). Yet they want to marry one and
    have babies. For them, the contradiction actually makes a kind of
    sense, because (and they know this, believe me) they will get the
    house, the children, and the child support.

    For you, it makes no sense. You will get raped in the divorce courts.
    You don't know how bad it is. Don't do it.

    A prime effect of marriage is backbreaking financial overhead: the
    excessive house in the prestigious suburb, the pricey but boring
    cars, all that. But if you don't fall into the trap, keeping your
    expenses down means you can live in Alaska or overseas and enjoy
    existence. There is more to life than debt service. Yet, although
    these are bad times for marrying, they are extraordinarily good times
    for being single.

    Now, children. This is sticky. You may want them, or think you want
    them, or think you may want them. She wants them. My advice is to
    move to almost any country where English isn't spoken and women don't
    want their husbands to be the mothers of their children. Any country
    inhabited by the Chinese would do nicely.

    Incidentally, remember that it is never now or never. Your prospects
    improve with time. At thirty-five or fifty you will be perfectly able
    to find a good woman if you know where to look. See above list.

    Remember also that these are not good times for having children in
    America. It is almost irresponsible. The schools are scholastically
    poor, drug-ridden, given chiefly to political indoctrination, and
    hostile to male children. The universities are little better. Divorce
    is hell on children and their fathers, and nearly universal. The
    country lunges to police-statedom and isn't, I suspect, as stable as
    it might be. Worse, worst, there is Susan Reimer. Her name is legion,
    and she seeps everywhere, like the effluvium of unwashed socks.

    Further, there is no social duty to have children. Some argue that
    the white population is in decline. Tough. If the country chooses to
    make having kids undesirable, then let it decline. It is not your
    problem.

    Now, you might well wonder, why are American women carrying the Chip?
    Practically, it doesn't matter: They do carry it, and will continue.
    Still, it is partly because from birth they are fed the notion that
    they have been oppressed, battered, cheated, deprived, harassed, used
    as sex objects, not used as sex objects, on and on. Being rational,
    you are perhaps inclined to point out that never has a female
    population been less any of these things, but don't bother. It will
    have no effect. The Chip is an emotional artifact to which they
    respond emotionally.

    The bedrock of The Attitude is that everything is the man's fault.
    Wonders Reimer, "What is the answer, especially if the 20- and 30-
    year-old male is such poor marriage material?" She does not
    wonder, "If I am such a grindingly awful termagant that men on three
    continents are crossing their legs and feeling queasy over my mere
    column, and won't come near me except in a Kevlar bathysphere with a
    disinfectant system, maybe I'm doing something wrong. Gosh. I wonder
    what?"

    Yet something more is going on, though one does not easily see just
    what. Note that in recent decades we have seen the invention by women
    of bulimia and anorexia, which no one had heard of in 1965. Men made
    them do it. At roughly the same time women began getting breast
    implants, which men also made them do, and then suing about it. In
    the same period they began having induced memories of being raped or
    satanically abused by their fathers. Men again. The psychotherapy
    racket grew like kudzu, a sure sign of deep unhappiness over
    something.

    All of this is recent. You have to be fifty to remember women who
    were resilient, sane, psychically strong and, within the limits of an
    often sorry existence, content. But whatever the answer, guys, the
    problem isn't yours.

    Spend a year overseas, however you have to do it. For smart, classy,
    just plain glorious women who often speak English, try Singapore.
    Argentina is splendid. Many places are. You would be amazed. See
    what's out there before you marry a gringa with her Inner Susan, who
    will one day burst from her chest like one of those beaked space-
    aliens in the movies, dripping venom. They're death.

    *Orlando Sentinel, July 1, 2003
     
  2. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

    I want to be an Airborne Ranger,

    I want to live a life of danger
     
  3. Dan East

    Dan East New Member

    How utterly refreshing to read the article from the Sentinel! And, as to the main thrust of the article, I could not agree more.

    I read once (I can't remember where...) that "...[one] simply can't humiliate American men enough!" A glance at media treatment of men, from the stupid and fat overgrown kid - wholly dependant on his wife (Mother), can't buy underwear without her approval or out right purchase - called Father, to media treatment of men's bodies - sexual assault as "high" humour - and one may believe that, indeed, American men love to belittle and debase themselves, apparently in a misguided effort to show themselves as "new men", whatever that means!

    The distaff of Canada, too, are afflicted by the Chip, but to a lesser extent, IMHO. And YESYESYES!!! Do not marry, O Young Man, unless you have broadened the horizon across the gender divide. Travel! Experience! At the very least, young man of today...Get up off your knees and demand YOUR rights, too! (Especially family law, but lets not forget criminal law, too. Men usually get longer sentences for the same crime than the woman perp - at least in the States where sentencing patterns were studied.)

    Anyway, WOW! Great to see the "thaw" is surely in full swing, if this article is any indication.

    (National Coalition of Free Men and other fine men's rights websites are a must for men today, especially young men)

    Thanks for the post, Airborne!

    Regards,

    Dan
     
  4. tcnixon

    tcnixon Active Member

    What a great satire! Thankfully, no rational human being would actually take such drivel seriously.



    Tom Nixon
     
  5. borisdarling

    borisdarling member

    Waht was the group in "Married with Children"

    "No Maam" (National Organization of Men Against Amazonian Women)"

     
  6. roysavia

    roysavia New Member

    This article reminds me of my undergraduate days at York University. The business students at the Schulich business school used to get drunk every Thursday afternoon. They did this as an experiment to see if the women attending the Feminist Club meetings in the building next door would get better looking with each bottle of beer consumed.
     
  7. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

    Hard to beat Wendy McElroy on the issue or issues of feminism.

    Sidenote: She argues for what is just and not for her personal preferences. She has, for example, a fear of guns due to personal experience.

     
  8. Re: Re: Way of topic: Marriage, Horror, And Susan Reimer

    So Tom,

    You DO take it seriously? ;)

    Dave A

     
  9. Dan East

    Dan East New Member

    irrationanal drivel...

    Hey Tom, here is a summer reading list for you. If you wish, I can provide an additional 60 + books for your edification. However, for now, I'll stick to some books relating to marriage/fatherhood/divorce, and several on modern society and the modern man. Satire? No. Drivel? Certainly not. Irrational? You read, you be the judge.

    The Unexpected Legacy of Divorce. Wallerstein.J. Hyperion, NY

    With Dads Around, Kids Are Sound. Renaud D. University of Montreal, Sainte Justine Hospital QC

    Fatherhood: Why Father Care is as Essential as Mother Care for your Child. Pruett, K. MD The Free Press, NY

    Not Guilty: The Case in Defense of Men. Thomas, D. William Morrow & Co. NY

    Spreading Misandry: The Teaching of Contempt For Men in Popular Culture. Nathanson, P. & Young, K. McGill-Queeens University Press Montreal

    The Persuit of Division: Race, Gender and Preferential Hiring in Canada Loney, M. McGill-Queens University Press Montreal

    If Men Have ALL the Power How Come Women Make The Rules? Kammer, J. Halethorpe, MD.

    Regards,

    Dan East
     
  10. Tom Head

    Tom Head New Member

    Dan, I'll see your 60 on masculinism and raise you 120 on feminism if you like; we can do this all day, but let's not kid ourselves by pretending either of us is ready to spend a month reading nothing but gender theory. If anybody's taking a poll (maybe somebody should--there haven't been any good polls lately), I'm with Tom N. on this one.


    Cheers,
     
  11. Dan East

    Dan East New Member

    Reply was meant for Tom Nixon.

    As to a poll... what would be the point? Part of what makes a study of male rights so interesting is the fact that so many men actually believe they have all the power in society; hence, they do not believe men are having a rough go of it in many, many spheres of life.

    By the way, don't you guys have to register for the draft at 18? If I was an American male, I'd be outraged at this blatant discrimmination! Oh well...

    Damn me anyway!! I am going to hit "send" without removing my last comment!

    (I do not mean to offend, nor do I wish to extend a dead post subject.)

    have a great summer!

    Regards,
    Dan
     
  12. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    Dead subject? I just read it. I could get myself into so much trouble but fortunately my mother didn't raise any dummies. I'll pass on any comments.

    I have noticed more defined sex roles in Chinese culture. The son drives the sports car and the daughters work in the restaurant.
     
  13. Dr. Gina

    Dr. Gina New Member

    Hey Airborne Ranger! Sounds Like you are describing the Long Island Princesses (that I grew up around)


    Besides, I am proud to say I am different (old fashioned that is - according to my husband) and as funny as the article was, I do admit that My Gender (female) has certain "Gender Issues" that need to be looked at. Besides, who can blame a guy that marries a girl that ends up looking like this and wants to run away from it all:



    [​IMG] :D


    P.S. Don't forget, your mama's raised you to be so smart and to "be independent":D
     
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