Don't be one of the half million

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Discussions' started by Bill Huffman, Jul 17, 2003.

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  1. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

  2. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

    Now they tell me!

    Down Under they hold their hands reversed to pretend someone else is doing it.
     
  3. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    I asked my doctor abou prostrate cancer a few weeks ago and he said that as long as I didn't have any symptons not to bother with tests. Apparently treatment after early diagnosis kills people quicker than letting things progress, if in fact they do progress, at all.

    And to think, I had already built up an immunity.
     
  4. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    Definitely a humorous story, but also a deadly serious topic. My father was recently diagnosed with prostate cancer, and unfortunately it wasn't caught before it spread.

    Guys, get checked once you get near your 40th birthday. Don't wait until it's too late. :(


    Bruce
     
  5. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    As I have read and my doctor pointed out, early detection and the accompanying active treatment appears to lower longetivity, a case of the cure being worse than the disease.

    Many cases of prostate cancer never progress until old age, if ever.
     
  6. Peter French

    Peter French member

    Sorry to hear that Bruce ...

    However, Dennis' comments are held by many medical practitioners down here...while we 'hold' something else, which may explain why:

    [1] We are regarded as 'wankers'
    [2] We are blind enough to follow your leader into an unnecessary conflict based on fabricated evidence
     
  7. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

    More from Down Under

    Excerpt:

    "Should I Be Tested for Prostate Cancer?

    Most men, when enquiring about prostate cancer, will be confused by conflicting views expressed in books and by many authorities in the medical profession and government health departments about methods of diagnosing and treating the disease. Perhaps the most controversial is the view expressed by some doctors - which the Support and Advocacy Committee of the Foundation and its affiliated support groups dispute absolutely - that it would be better for men not to know whether they have the disease and that those who do should not to be treated. The minority of doctors who hold this view justify it by claiming:

    -Because the disease is relatively slow to develop, most patients would die with, rather than of, the disease.

    -Because treatment has potentially serious side effects such as impotence and incontinence, treatment may be worse than the disease, particularly for men fortunate enough to have a relatively non-aggressive cancer.

    -There is no evidence from population studies that the outcomes of treating a large number of men for the disease would be any different than would be the case if a similar number of men were left untreated.

    Support group members believe this view is totally wrong. We see it as the right of all men to make decisions for themselves about whether to be tested."



    Hand warmers sell well in Alberta?

    Hope that doctor at least treated you to the fickle finger. Whether or not to seek treatment would be up to you but you'd first have to know of an enlargement, hardening or whatever.
     
  8. Gus Sainz

    Gus Sainz New Member

    Welcome back, Frenchie! As I predicted, you have returned…

    I guess you were just waiting for the appropriate topic to astound us once again with your expertise. :D
     
  9. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    Gus

    Still not over getting banned at DistanceDegree a week before it shut down?
     
  10. Peter French

    Peter French member

    Re: Gus

    :D ...and one better than that ... the powers that be at American Coastline University refused me alumni membership [thought I'd try and find out what goes on ...] for my bad press on them, and presumably St Regis, Dr Dr Dr Dr Hoyer, and Rev Fr Dr Dr Dr Fast Bird ...

    Now THAT is the real distinction - leaves what you mention in the shade! :cool:
     
  11. Peter French

    Peter French member

    Well, it is this way Gus, at the moment I am bored marking examinations and other papers, and really I was suffering massive withdrawal symptoms from something - and on analysis I realised that it was that I was missing you, my old mate, and your generous distribution of such profound wisdom ... but I won't be staying as I am enjoying my semi-retirement from this and most other things that have occupied my time previously ...
     
  12. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I understand that Jay Leno latched onto the story but questioned the conclusion because if true, he hypothesised, prostate cancer would be extinct.
     
  13. Peter French

    Peter French member

    As with everything there are theories besides Gus' and mine :)

    However, 2 theories seem to have some merit -

    [1] That most that have it die with it not because of it;
    [2] It can not be proven absolutely that operating lessens the chance of [1 above] being the case.

    Dtection rates have improved, but then there is some dispute over actually WHAT is detected.

    In the meantime no finger has access to my @#$*
     
  14. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

    Til a week ago that was true of my 58 year old @#$*. I've since discovered that an inguinal hernia renders one's @#$* to the medical finger at large. But thankfully, to none too large.

    FWIW, I have a 68 year old brother who recently had some radioactive seeds implanted in his @#$* to treat his prostate. I'm dubious as to the need but said nothing as the thing is done.
     
  15. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    Getting rejected from American Coastline's alumni association is truly a slap in the face. Is the alumni group run by alumni or the ownership? Would the alumni care about Peter French, who had many good things to say about the previous ownership and the school?

    I enrolled in the DBA program at California Coast University on June 30, the last day they accepted doctoral admissions before they applied for accreditation. Just ordered a textbook but haven't started anything yet.
     
  16. Peter French

    Peter French member

    So you are going to CCU it are you? Good luck, and will your clients really care when you get it from, or even for that matter IF you have one or not? Rich [good luck on your doctorate mate] surveyed employers - it would have been intersting to see what clients of professionals had to say - you with your DBA, Richard Suhar with his KWU PhD [ the profession have certainly accepted his findings very wholeheartedly ...

    As for the ACU alumni bit, it is quite a distinction which was actually Jiohn Bear's comment at the time - I did it for the hell of it which saved me entertaining myelf at Gus' or Rich's expense, so they should be appreciateive :D

    The letter I recieved is copied below:

    "...Dear Dr. [sic] French:

    Although we appreciate your interest in the new alumni association, we are not interested in your participation.

    This newly forming group has a positive, enjoyable outlook on their ACU experience, life and ethical standards, and proudly utilize their ACU degree.

    Your past postings on AED and degreeinfo.com have been negative, at times unsure, and most often indecisive and confrontational in nature when it comes to ACU.

    We wish you all the best.

    Dan

    Daniel Taylor, Ph.D., M.D.
    President

    American Coastline University
    www.amercoastuniv.edu

    American Coastline University is fully accredited and licensed by the Russian Federation Higher Education Ministry; the Russian Interacademic Education Union (MMC); the Educational Quality Accrediting Commission www.eqac.org Fully accredited by the Liberian Ministry of Education, National Board of Education www.nationalboardedu.com

    American Coastline University evaluates "experiential learning" and grants university credit based on a portfolio assessment; the guidelines recommended by the American Council on Education (ACE); New York Board of Regents Program on Non-collegiate Sponsored Instruction (PONSI); the Council for Advancement of Experiential Learning (CAEL); Defense Activity for Non-Traditional Education (DANTE); American College Testing (ACT); Graduate Record Examination (GRE) and all recognized college and university credit sources. ...'

    Need I say more?
     
  17. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    Re: Re: Gus

    Isn't that kind of like being evicted from a homeless shelter?


    Bruce
     
  18. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    Does anyone have a link or other information regarding the traditional treatment of prostate cancer not being effective?

    I don't want to get my hopes up, but I'd also like to read everything I can in regards to this.

    Thanks.


    Bruce
     
  19. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

    The Australian site I linked to above seems pretty good though oriented towards rationed medical care.

    This site has good practical advice and good links.

    Second opinion for certain! "My doctor is the leading authority..." and "My doctor literally wrote the book on..." is BS. I've known people who've been misdiagnosed by top rated physicians in their field.

    And this from that second site:

    "Investigational Treatments

    There are several new and promising experimental treatments for prostate cancer that may offer improved outcomes. Hundreds of clinical trials are now testing them. You may be eligible for such a treatment, depending on your cancer. For more information about clinical trials contact the National Cancer Institute at 1-800-4CANCER and the National Prostate Cancer Coalition at 202-463-9455.

    Promising experimental treatments include:

    Neoadjuvant hormonal therapy, which shrinks the prostate tumor to increase success rates of surgery or radiation,

    Immunotherapy, which boosts the body's own defenses against cancer.

    Chemotherapy, using new drugs that might help men with advanced prostate cancer.

    Many studies are ongoing to determine if men with late-stage cancer can benefit from immunotherapies. In the future, such therapies also may be used to prevent recurrence of cancer following initial surgery or radiation therapy."


    Best wishes for your Dad.
     
  20. MarkIsrael@aol.com

    [email protected] New Member

    > American Coastline University is fully accredited and licensed
    > by the Russian Federation Higher Education Ministry; the
    > Russian Interacademic Education Union (MMC); the Educational
    > Quality Accrediting Commission www.eqac.org Fully
    > accredited by the Liberian Ministry of Education, National
    > Board of Education www.nationalboardedu.com

    And in their catalogue http://www.amercoastuniv.edu/ACUCatalog2003.pdf they say:

    "It is our policy to avoid membership in an association that might tend to cause confusion about accreditation. We are NOT accredited---our degree programs are based on the freedom to educate, found in the United States Constitution [...]."
     

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