undergraduate=how many graduate

Hello, I am trying to assist my daughter in her attempt to show prior learning by finding a published equation or reference to the above. She has 20 undergraduate credits obtained after her BS from TESC. If anyone has any ideas I would appreciate feedback. Thanks. Happy studying. Hille

 

I did a paper when I was at the community college that had a stat (1996) that less than 25% of community college students will graduate with a four year degree. It seems a bit deceiving, since many are not TRYING to get a 4 year degree, perwonal growth, AA, skill improvement just name a few of the other reasons to be taking classes at a CC. I will look back and see if I can find my siting in the paper. Will e-mail you.

 

I think Hille is not interested in percentage of undergraduates who eventually graduate, but in how many undergraduate credits can be transferred towards a graduate degree. I suspect the answer is usually 0.

 

Here is some information on the 2002 Ency. Brittanica Book of the Year:

For the U.S. population over 25, 13.6% of the population has a 4 yr. degree or higher, 25.5% have had some post-secondary education. The remainder essentially have a high school education (35.1%) or less.

Thus, it would seem that if you have at least a bachelor's degree you have reached a higher educational attainment than 86.4% of the country over 25.

John

 

Thanks.

I am coming closer to my answer. I am looking for the Carnegie method of clock to credit hour conversion involving undergraduate and graduate credits. Hille

 

Back around 1987, I read that only 18% of entering freshmen will actually acquire a 4-year degree. Mmmmmm, what happened to the other 82%?

 

The individual RA sites may have statistics.

 

Re: Re: undergraduate=how many graduate

I found a blank reporting form on the WASC web site.

Re CSUDH their stats are available at http://www.csudh.edu/oir/index.htm

A search of other schools may reveal similat data.

 

Yep, yep, yep.

Tony

 

True, but I think that she's actually looking to present the undergrad courses as part of a portfolio for gaining graduate credit. I'm not sure if it will work, since college credit was already awarded for that learning/knowledge, but it's sure worth a try! Since there are so many graduate courses that have basically the same catalog description as undergrad courses, I'm not sure what additional criteria might need to be met in order to get graduate credit via portfolio assessment. I would think that they'd want demonstration of deeper understanding than would be required for undergrad credit, but I can only guess. I wonder if very many people have gained RA graduate credit this way.

 

Instead of making everyone guess, I think Hille should clarify the question. Are you looking for how many hours of work (in real time) equal a credit hour at the undergrad and graduate level?

 

Thanks. HOW MANY HOURS OF WORK EQUAL A CREDIT HOUR? I am looking for graduate and undergraduate numbers. Thanks to all. Sorry the post wasn't more specific. Hille

 

C'mon me, who do you think patronizes the degree mills?
Jack

 

With regard to Hille's very cryptic question:

I think that your daughter needs to check the catalog of whatever graduate program she's interested in.

Many universities don't make a lot of distinction between upper division undergraduate credit and lower level graduate credit. Often they have a whole classification of courses in their catalogs labled 'for undergraduate or graduate credit' (Stanford does this.) Other schools allow '400' level UG classes to be taken for graduate credit with approval. Schools typically accept UD undergraduate credit up to a certain number of units, often 15, or half of a 30 unit masters. But they have to be the right classes, classes that satisfy the student's graduate program. It's all a school by school, program by program and even student by student deal, so your daughter needs to investigate particular schools' policies.

A more serious problem concerns transfer credit. Most graduate programs are pretty hard-nosed about this, putting caps on the number of units you can transfer into a graduate program from outside. Typically the limit is 6 units of a 30 unit masters.

How many hours of work equal a credit hour? That's impossible to say. Different students will take different amounts of time to complete the same assignments. Some devote more time to reading than others.

I think that as a rule of thumb for lecture classes is one credit hour = one hour a week classroom time. For labs the common practice seems to be one credit hour = three hours a week of actual lab instruction. (My experience was that we often spent more time in lab than that, particularly for advanced classes. It took however long it took to get usable results.) Obviously DL is gonna make this stuff harder to measure.

I don't know what is motivating this question, but if the intent is to argue that (say) 30 units of post-bachelors undergraduate credit should count as the equivalent of perhaps 20 units of graduate credit based on some conversion formula, I don't think that it works that way.