Notorious murderer did DL degree

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  1. British 'Moors murderer' Hindley dead at 60.

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    • ... During her years in prison, Hindley became a Roman Catholic, did an Open University degree in humanities and in 1995 secretly "married" her female lover Nina Wilde, a Dutch-born criminologist. ...
     
  2. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Mass Murderer
    Distance Learning Degree
    Roman Catholic
    Female Marries Female Lover

    What is distance learning coming to?
     
  3. roy maybery

    roy maybery New Member

    John McVicar (once Britain's most wanted man) also did a degree in English and later lectured in Leicester University.

    However, being a British national myself I am in no way saddened to see Hindley go.
     
  4. Professor Kennedy

    Professor Kennedy New Member

    Captive sudents

    EBS has had several prisoners taking the MBA, both those who have been guests of Her Majesty here in the UK and several who have been guests of the State in other countries, including the USA.

    Their exams are treated no different from elsewhere though their results may be delayed because of prison rules about the distribution of incoming mail.

    In general, I would think distance education facilities that help the prisoner learn must be a sensible use of resources.
     
  5. Hille

    Hille Active Member

    Question about tuition

    Good Morning, How is the tuition handled in the UK for the incarcerated? Just a curiousity ** Hille
     
  6. roy maybery

    roy maybery New Member

    When I did my undergraduate degree back in 1988 all tuition plus a living allowance was paid for by the local authority. At the time it would have been the same for the incarcerated. Apparently the government has since brought in fees. I have no idea what guests of Her Majesty would do to get into a program today.
     
  7. John Bear

    John Bear Senior Member

    Professor Kennedy: EBS has had several prisoners taking the MBA, both those who have been guests of Her Majesty here in the UK and several who have been guests of the State in other countries, including the USA.

    John Bear: Indeed. During the time our company was supplying courses to US students, we were told, informally, that one of the highest exam scores ever was achieved by a US inmate, who happened to be a German pilot based in South America. (English was his third language.) His parole board had offered to reduce his sentence considerably if he earned the degree. What an incentive!

    Incidentally, that was when we learned that whatever you plan for, something else will come along. EBS courses came (probably still come) in looseleaf binders. At least three prisons where there were EBS students would not accept those binders, because they could be turned into weapons. We had to have the courses re-bound.

    ("All right, copper, out of my way, or I'll beat you silly with my MBA course binder...")
     
  8. Guest

    Guest Guest

    The incarcerated were given a living allowance?
     
  9. Professor Kennedy

    Professor Kennedy New Member

    DL only in HM Prisons

    From memory both John Vicar and Myra Hindley did Open University dl courses, though the OU requires campus attendance, so I presume special arrangements were made for the residential requirements.

    EBS MBA programmes do not require campus attendance, hence our students have no problem with completing without seeing or being seen by faculty.

    The ring binders are still with us but an option for bound books is under project definition at present. I can imagine the standard ring binders potentially are 'dangerous weapons' given their metalic content.
     
  10. roy maybery

    roy maybery New Member

    "Plus a Living allowance"

    I see your point. More accurately, they probably had their course fees taken care of by the local authority. Actually when I was doing archaeology at Leicester, one of the members of the mature student's association was doing a PhD at Her Majesty's pleasure. They were letting him out to do it, he used to go back to prison at night. Apparently he had done a murder but had been inside a long time and was sooon to be released on good behavior.
     
  11. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    I think most people would be shocked if they saw the kinds of objects that inmates have used to construct quite deadly weapons.

    Of course, I think there are probably easier ways to make a shank than by enrolling in an external MBA program. :)


    Bruce
     
  12. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    If they were made of plastic, certainly. Plastic can be melted and re-melted until quite dense, then rolled into a pointed shank. Of course, if the binders had metal of any kind, they would be refused.

    I once took from an inmate a shank made from a Hefty garbage bag and a lighter. Took him awhile, but the thing was strong, sharp, and deadly.
     
  13. Guest

    Guest Guest

    A kid in a Residential Treatment Center once told me that they can do it with toothpaste and toilet paper/paper towel. Apparently it dries hard.

    North
     

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