OracleGuy "excused" from The Pub at K-W

Read the post before the millspeak gets edited.

A quote:

"Because we are not bound by the physical confines of a "brick and mortar" campus, we can evaluate
each candidate on the merit of their portfolio as represented in a body of coursework, career-related work history and professional training."

Presumably the evaluations must take place outdoors.

 

OracleGuy was 86ed rather than excused!

OracleGuy certainly seems legitimate. But I wonder about some of the anonymous detractors at the K-W board. Are they really disgruntled students? Or K-W opponents of some other ilk? Are the anonymous K-W champions really happy students, or manipulative employees of the company?

 

OracleGuy, sorry to hear that K-W decided to ban you. It was fun seeing the harsh truth spread on that forum. I have been surprised by the lattitude that they allow on the one hand but, on the other hand when they feel you are no longer a K-W supporter they don't seem to hesitate to pull the plug. I don't believe the K-W pub would really be able to survive the glare of the bare truth.

BTW, any guesses on how long it takes one of the K-W shills to start up another thread about all the big companies that "support" K-W? I'll guess within 2 months.

 

It is interesting that the Moderator chose to eliminate the actual post, opting to paraphrase it instead. How convenient.

 

Whoops. Got to the K-Y site too late. Nothing smells worse than old--SHOE POLISH!

 

He apparently paraphrased the whole thread!

Okay, so I admit that I did have a bit of fun using the handle Johnson. It was very short lived and they deleted two or three of my posts after I finally had the audacity to admit, "I cannot in good conscious recommend the KWU Bachelor degree program to almost anyone." The context was that graduate degrees were sometimes icing on the cake but that undergrad degrees should be accredited to open more opportunities.

Here's the whole thread.
http://vsu.kw.edu/ubb/Forum5/HTML/001110.html

I think they cut OracleGuy a lot more slack because he was a K-W student, which I would of course have to agree with.

 

OK, here's the dirt, Enjoy...

This is *THE* thread before it was axed. I've changed the names out of courtesy and respect for the anonymity of the original posters.

CodenameBlue, was the original poster
CodenameRed, the original rebuttle
CodenamePink, whose grammar and spelling prowess should be a dead giveaway.

Author Topic: How is credit awarded?

CodenameBlue

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Can anyone tell me what criteria are used to award credit to students for work experience? I have tried to get an answer from the Registrar on this and was effectively stonewalled. Everybody is on the defensive and can't seem to come up with a real answer for this question. Also, what about the GERE scores?
How do they know how many classes a student should take to complete the degree? And why does this seem to be a closely guarded secret? I would appreciate any help on this.
Thanks,
CodenameBlue


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OracleGuy
Member posted 09-26-2002 07:34 PM
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CodenameBlue,

This one of the reasons I've elected to leave K-W. BTW, I'm not overly popular here at the moment, given that I dared ask similar questions and heaven forbid, actually posted a few opinions contrary to the K-W team chant…

Fact of the matter is, there appears to be no standard applied. I myself had asked on numerous occasions with the same results you are finding. Are you getting the picture? You are not supposed to ask those questions, lest you be branded a heretic as I am.

Honestly though, most of the folks here in the pub are upright, salt of the earth types. I know that in the flesh, I’d get along fine with most of them and vice-versa.

K-W, no, K-W’s credential falls well short of my expectations. I didn’t do all my homework, so I must assume part of the blame, or so I’m told. A K-W degree may or may not be of utility to you CodenameBlue (CODENAMEPINK stay out of this). Some places are ok with it, others are extremely opposed. And I do mean *extremely*.

There are tons of alternatives to K-W in this wonderful information/internet age. In the land of D/L, it’s of vital importance to DO YOUR HOMEWORK (hint, hint).

One source of enlightenment for me has been http://www.degreeinfo.com/ . Here you might find out why K-W is somewhat, er, um, unresponsive to your inquires. Some of the world’s foremost experts on D/L hang on this board. Dr. John Bear, author of some 25 texts on the topic of D/L provides wise words regularly. (when not circle dancing of course!)

Also, http://www.geocities.com/BA_in_4_Weeks/mainmenu.html is a D/L seekers paradise. I only wish that someone pointed me there 3 yrs. ago. (wink, wink)

Well CodenameBlue, I’m getting ready to duck, good luck!

Cheers…Randy


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CodenamePink
Member posted 09-26-2002 07:53 PM
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Oracle Guy and CodenameBlue:
I feel that K-W is clear on how they award credit, based on work experience and transfer. The number of courses you have to take correlate with how much credit you recieved. As for the amount, request a transcript, it will list it. Oracle Guy will you please stop bashing? I and all the K-W students have worked hard, the last thing we need is a resident critic.

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CodenameRed
Member posted 09-27-2002 05:56 AM
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I've posted this before as well, but Cambridge is a good example. If I get my undergrad in business there and wish to get a masters, all I need do is work two years in the field, request review, write my paper, get it. No classes!!! And from a premier school!!! Not to say that it is easy as pie, but Harvard is a "B" college compared to it and Oxford.

KW was very upfront with me. In fact I was so unsure, seems like yourself, that we did a line item on everything that would or would not give me credit and why.

From memory - I know that any professional publications done within your organization do not count. Having your ideas published by leading trade magazines,etc. is a good indicator of what you are capable of. RA schools I looked at were going to give me similar credit - except that they we going to require me to meet once a week for class, once a week for study group, and take a statistics course because my other degrees didn't require me to take it. I didn't have to take to gmat or whatever that test is called due to my background.

Accomplishments count as well . . . sustained a million dollar campaign to . . .

I can't speak to your abilities and accomplishments tho'. Marisha was my gateway, she was able to answer my questions quite well.

In a "regular" school, most students have no background except schooling. Check out the many publications on MBA's lately. The main reason why "A" school students ranked their educations high was not due to education but contacts. Interesting, eh? They didn't get the "A" jobs due to "A" school, they got it because they had "A" contacts. The ones who don't "schmooze" end up like any other graduate.

The current issue of the AMA's "Marketing News" has a good article about MBA's as did a recent Business 2.0.

AMA at www.marketingpower.com

Cheers,

CodenameRed

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OracleGuy
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CODENAMEPINK, once again, this is not a bash. You have had one experience with KW and I’ve had quite another. Like CodenameBlue, I was stonewalled and still am being stonewalled re-transcripts and other admin. items. I've even had exam questions that were patently wrong, mailed the course text references showing the errors, etc. and never received a single response based on multiple attempts.

Lemme give you a concrete Example:
The answer paper had spaces for A), B), C), D) and E). “E” was correct, but there was no corresponding question “E” on the exam! I got it wrong of course, and they never, ever, got back to me, acknowledged the flaw, or adjusted my mark. That’s not a bash CODENAMEPINK, that’s what happened. 3 weeks I tried to get something back, silence.

CODENAMEPINK, my experience with KW is replete with this type of anomaly. Not to mention the other issues for which I’m likewise reviled by many pubbers.

My rebuttal is simple. In your mind I’m a basher, but in my mind you are an ostrich. A bash CODENAMEPINK is a baseless, overt attempt to defame, slander or belittle. Never, on this forum have I done that. (‘Cept perhaps Dr. watshisface, where I concede a tad of sarcasm). I’ve challenged, offered anti-thesis, pointed out and fully documented/substantiated a number of issues; but that’s *not* bashing. If K-W is the credible, honored institute that you feel it is, then it should be able withstand full scrutiny and not falter.

Or perhaps this board should be given over to “K-W the good” only rules. However, I recall from my American history, a group of folks wearing funny shoes landing at Plymouth. They seemed to feel that heresy based on opposing views was not such a great idea.

CodenameBlue now has the opinions of "CodenameRed", you and me. Let her now or later, formulate her own conclusions based upon the differing experiences and points of view expressed.


Cheers…Randy

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CodenameBlue
Member posted 09-27-2002 10:28 AM
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The only conclusion that anyone could possibly reach is this:
Kennedy Western is Non-accredited-The degree is unacceptable.
I have to agree that the KW degree is an embarrassment waiting to happen. If you haven’t had a problem with having the degree accepted yet, believe me you will. Since there are so many accredited online programs out there now I believe that KW will be forced to close up shop. The fact that they cannot provide clear information to their own students should be a red flag to all of us. I am astounded that while KW makes no effort to do anything about their “Diploma Mill” image, the students are doing everything they can to defend KW. I even went so far myself as to request the American Society for Quality to review the KW program so I could sit for one of their tests (CQE). That should have been something that was confirmed before KW advertised and sold their degree program in Quality Control.
That just shows you how much thought goes into preparing the programs that KW offers. There is so much negative information about KW out there, the only thing that they could do at this point is to become accredited. Nothing less will do. Like other KW students, I wanted to deny the obvious and expected KW would be able to prove the critics wrong. It hasn’t happened and I am tired of arguing in defense of KW when they won’t do anything for us in return. Like…. return our phone calls!

Thanks,
CodenameBlue

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CodenameRed
Member posted 09-27-2002 11:17 AM
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CodenameBlue:
I'm sorry that you haven't had a good experience so far. I would still urge you to complain to the top if you don't get an answer.

Education is based upon what you put into it.

[edited out for length, nothing of substance]

You have to do what you have to do, but bashing never got anyone anywhere. It just propagates bitterness. Straighten them out or move on, but please don't dump on the rest of us.

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OracleGuy
Member posted 09-27-2002 11:28 AM
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CodenameBlue,

Welcome to the Leper colony, I have some spare bandages if you need them!

Cheers...Randy

 

Rule #6

Actually Gert I think it was rule # 6 that got him excused:
And I quote from their Forum Rules:
"Do not flame or abuse other users.
Do not make personal attacks upon other users. If you disagree with someone's post, speak to their points and ideas, not to their character. Criticism of spelling or grammar errors in a message is considered flaming.

We encourage our members to be interesting and informative. However, do not post anything that is libelous, abusive or hateful, an invasion of anyone's privacy, harmful to other users, or harmful to the educational goals of Kennedy-Western University. "

End quote.

I think the real key to getting "excused" is the last sentence. Just another case of their server, their rules.

Regards,
Dick

 

rebuttal=to reply to another's contention
rebuttle=what an obsessive-compulsive valet does

 

Oopps... don't let RJT get wind of this, I'm likely to get my rebuttle kicked!

 

Censors, censors, everywhere
and none that stops to think...

hang in there, OracleGuy

only cars no longer come with cranks

 

Re: Rule #6

I agree. Although I must admit being "excused" in school is somewhat of a habitual offence with me. It all started in 6th grade for a somewhat epic breaking of wind, again in High School science lab, when I found out that filling one’s lungs with helium really does make you talk like Alvin the chipmunk. Any yet again, in the Armed Forces, when being “excused” a week’s worth of freedom for augmenting the School’s anatomical correct, bronze statue of “Winged Mercury” with a could of dabs of florescent-red paint. The operative phrases being anatomically correct, and a couple of dabs!

Cheers…the “excused” one

 

Re: OK, here's the dirt, Enjoy...

That guy is king of the non-sequitur.

It seems that if anyone mentions anything negative about K-W he's in there trying to get the person to flame him just so he can try to get them banned from posting.

 

I decided to post a few times on "The Pub." Mostly to provide some assistance, but also to counterpoint some mis-stated "facts." I got jumped (mildly) by someone there, along with the a.e.d. spammer.

NB: Is that spammer--who I'm sure is the one stalking my posts on About.com, a.e.d., and "The Pub," Emir Mohammed? I ask because something the spammer recently posted was word-for-word something Emir posted to me a couple of years ago on a.e.d. Anyone know the guy's identity? (He's using "Tim Sigler" on About.com and K-WU's Pub.)

 

I think it more likely that it's Vik/Sue/Sam/Kate/Victor60/...

But I can't "proof it".

 

Tim Sigler (?)

Well I left a post in the Pub asking him about his agenda but the persona does not seem to respond either in public or via email.

If he presists in posting a bunch of crap I am sure "Rule #6" will come to visit upon him as well to Excuse him from the Pub.

I have been a regular poster in the Pub since Fall of 1998 (prior to it going public) and I have never run across any postings in his vein nor the name Emir Mohammed. He is not a KW student that I can recall. Maybe a new cyberstalker ???

Regards,
Dick

 

Rich,

Just read your post at the pub, of course I had to peer in from across the street…

Just letting you know that I've several yards of gauze swathing on hand in case you might need a length or two. BTW, Shouting UNCLEAN all day gets old real quick.

Good Job!

Cheers…Randy (President, K-W Lepers Society)

 

Re: Tim Sigler (?)

Emir was a frequent poster on a.e.d. a little bit before my time. He has a website. http://www.angelfire.com/mo/EmirMohammed/

I understand that he was your normal run of the mill RA advocate but then to everyone's surprise he went over to the dark side, at the same time he dropped out of the a.e.d. scene. He worked as a faculty for a great degree mill that only hires RA faculty and is currently run from California with a Wyoming address. This is the Juggernaut degree mill that keeps rolling along despite all the bad press, etc.

 

An "M. Parker" posted the following on Kennedy-Western's Pravda, er....Pub:

"I have done it again, first my BS then my MS. My thesis has been approved. I feel very good after those 248 pages and 13 references are behind me. "

Thirteen references for a master's thesis? What the heck was on those 248 pages, advertising?

 

Thank goodness they don't grant Medical Degrees.