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    All of the fakescholar threads have been merged into one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phdtobe View Post
    You made some great points to support your position. I took the easy out by stoping the generalization and made it only about me and my experience.
    Don't really think my points were that great, they were just anecdotal. Don't doubt that things are better for you now as opposed to before. Based on what I've seen in a whole lot of churches, I'd rather be an honest and forthright unbeliever than a hypocritical believer who specializes in pastor-worshipping, back-stabbing, political posturing and irrational balderdash. Not saying that you were involved in that sort of behavior, but I've seen so much of that crapola that I don't blame you if you rejected it. Again, I do not go to church and when people find out I'm a professing Christian and excitedly tell me "My brother's a pastor!" I answer "Will try not to hold it against him." I am so done with it all. But I just fear you tossed the baby out with the bathwater, i.e., it was Jesus who went after and publicly called out the types who likely drove you (and me) away from all that.

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    That is the problem with doctrinal Protestantism: boundless arrogance. Acting as if generations upon generations of men of God missed the meaning of Scripture for 1,500 years before first Protestant sect popped up. Just for starters: kindly tell me which of the books of the Bible was authored by Jesus Christ.
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    Salvation: The Roman Catholic Church teaches that salvation is by baptismal regeneration and is maintained through the Catholic sacraments unless a willful act of sin is committed that breaks the state of sanctifying grace. The Bible teaches that we are saved by grace which is received through simple faith (Ephesians 2:8-9), and that good works are the result of a change of the heart wrought in salvation (Ephesians 2:10; 2 Corinthians 5:17) and the fruit of that new life in Christ (John 15).
    Doctrine of salvation by works that you falsely attribute to RCC is Pelagianism. Now, we do not know much about Pelagius, but according to his chief opponent St. Augustine, he was a monk of quite spotless virtue and I daresay knew the Bible much better than you and I. And still fell into error. But, you know, I'm sure you would never interpret the Bible wrong without the help from Tradition, all by yourself.

    The Gospels and Epistles are documents of the early Church and are chock full of advice on how to do good works. It's kind of hard to get Sola Fidei just by plain reading. It has a bunch of commands most just ignore: eg., 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18 "preay without ceasing" is taught in Orthodox Church, practiced by Mt. Athos monks and maybe Opus Dei - what about you? The Bible is, indeed, quite emphatetic about how no amount of works would save you without faith - but does not say works are disposable. The doctrine of salvation by faith was explained by Augustine, and Luther's teaching comes directly from him, only more categorical, to the cusp of heresy. You're beating up on RCC with a genuine Catholic Tradition, man.
    On Mary: no Christian, Catholic, Orthodox, Coptic, Assyrian, no one would say that She is "redemptress" in the same meaning as Christ. Christ is unique. Christ has two natures, Mary one - human. Yet, Mary IS the Mother of God, The True Theotocos. She is set aside by God Himself in a way quite unlike anyone in history . Trying to drag Her down to the level of the rest of us by you guys is infuriating. And, sorry, but asking Her supplication works.

    This is pointless. Every point you raised has been answered. As an Eastern Orthodox, I could just point you to some good Catechism. Catholic teaching is quite close on most things, so you could just study their official Catechism - it's easily available online. Christ is among us!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FTFaculty View Post
    Don't really think my points were that great, they were just anecdotal. Don't doubt that things are better for you now as opposed to before. Based on what I've seen in a whole lot of churches, I'd rather be an honest and forthright unbeliever than a hypocritical believer who specializes in pastor-worshipping, back-stabbing, political posturing and irrational balderdash.
    Great point, and churches are indeed filled with people like these. Yet a lot of grief I see in my church I also see in other groups of people. I'd say none of this is church-specific; it's just Romans 3:23 illustrated.

    Interestingly, I had slightly different experience. Priests I've met were, almost all, decent and rational people. It's some fellow lay people who displayed the worst behaviour. I know that priesthood is not immune to this, and indeed did have one unpleasant encounter with a (incidentally, Catholic) priest. But mostly they were quite good.
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    Lightbulb Fakescholar: Plagiarism = Theft

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    spam. How? ��

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    All of the fakescholar threads have been merged into one.
    Fakescholar, you were creating multiple threads (and many had syntax issues) and you never responded to them. They were like drive-by shootings (or drive-by postings), such as here:

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    Franciscan University of Steubenville unbiblical This has to do with the problems there concerning heresies of americanism,capitalism, jansenism and lots of tradition
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    Fake degrees how do you deal with members whi guve false advice? Unreal credentials
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    Degreeinfo is established by elite founders about accreditation . As I was scrolling through the website today all I see confrontation about accreditation which is governed by the state and federal government to have funding for financial aid. The gospel message should be proclaimed. Does accreditation really matter when a person becomes the pastor of a church?⛪.
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    Elite group membere with Catholic credentials are unbiblical. ATS is governed by the feds. Should they be booted from giving false advice ��������
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    Thank you �� who cares if you disagree
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    Who cares. All of your advice is unbelievable. You are my prisoners.
    Fakescholar, when you were called on it, you did not present your own opinion (scholarly thought), but instead, you copied-and-pasted a large volume of material from this website:
    https://www.gotquestions.org/Catholic-Biblical.html

    Click here to see it. Your chosen user-name of "Fake Scholar" seems to be appropriate, doesn't it? LOL

    Seriously though, fakescholar, if you want to go to a regionally accredited theology program, then you will have to do more than just "copy-and-paste" the work of others. And if you do use large volumes of their work, then you will have to learn how to give them credit for it (there is a specific way to do that).

    Fakescholar, in the academic world, if a writer uses large amounts of someone elses work -- and if they don't give them credit for it (but pretend that it's their own original thought), then it's called "plagiarism." In the academic world, plagiarism is a big fancy 50 dollar word for theft or stealing. Fakescholar, if you desire to go down a theological journey, then you cannot steal the original work of others and then use it as your own creation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fakescholars View Post
    You're stuck here. Forever.
    And now that you are our prisoner, we will laugh at you. Again. And again.
    Face it, dude, you are a shill for a degree mill. And you got caught at it.
    You even threaten like a degree mill shill.
    So we laugh at you one more time.
    Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha!
    So there.
    This quote, from at least two other threads, was not even written by fakescholars, it was originally written by me. (They say that plagiarism is the sincerest form of flattery…)

    Nonetheless, what we have here is already a four-page soon-to-be-magnum-opus started by an anonymous troll who just joined the board and has been attempting (rather successfully, it would appear) to do nothing but instigate.

    (By the way, me again, nice call on his cut-and-paste.)

    We will never know who this bozo is, but has it occurred to anyone that these are the stunts in which the DLT crew usually engage?

    Perhaps it’s time to move back to more relevant non-traditional education issues and to follow the best rule for posts like those from fakescholarsDon’t feed the troll. Right now he’s probably laughing his ass off while continuing to bait y’all. So stop swallowing the bait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Levicoff View Post
    This quote, from at least two other threads, was not even written by fakescholars, it was originally written by me. (They say that plagiarism is the sincerest form of flattery.
    I think the bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha gave it away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phdtobe View Post
    Great job with your critique. I will be reading this over again a few times to clear up my thoughts. I grew up very religious.
    I grew up in a home that wasn't conventionally religious. My mother had studied comparative religion (or whatever they called it then) and the attitude in our house was that the divine was transcendent and exceedingly mysterious. Every religion strives towards it but only captures a fragmentary aspect. (Imagine the Indian parable of the blind men and the elephant.)

    It is difficult to explain, but freedom from not beleiving, and my person freedom from religion has made me a happier person.
    I understand and feel the same way. For one thing, agnosticism is certainly the most intellectually justifiable position to take on transcendental matters that may be unknowable simply by definition. For another, all the arguments about who is a heretic (like we see in this decidedly odd thread), who is saved, who "knows Jesus" (or alternatively, is a good member of the ummah) and who is doomed to hell, all lose their personal existential force. I have no concerns in that regard.

    I remain fascinated by religion but in a more academic way. I'm interested in the histories of the religions, their doctrinal controversies and in the underlying problems of religious epistemology.

    I have learned just recently, not to be rude to people who are believers.
    I just viscerally dislike the so-called "new atheists" and so many of the internet-atheists that seem to make rudeness and ill-founded attitude into virtues. That's one reason why I label myself an 'agnostic'.

    I may technically be an atheist though regarding revealed religion. I don't believe in the literal existence of the named deities of religious tradition, from Vishnu, Shiva or Krishna, to Yahweh and Allah. I'm quite happy saying I believe that they don't exist, though I acknowledge that the possibility remains (however small) that I might be wrong.

    When it comes to the more philosophical divine functions of natural theology -- why there is something rather than nothing, first-cause, source of cosmic order, ultimate ground of being itself -- my position is that I don't have a clue. I don't think that any human being does (or likely ever will). So that's where I'm most clearly an agnostic.

    I guess that combination makes me into something approaching a neo-Deist.

    I do think how is it that people can’t see what I am seeing when it comes to God, but that is no big deal.
    I don't worry a whole lot about the fact that so many people don't think like I do, even on a board like this. I do find other people's beliefs interesting though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heirophant View Post
    I grew up in a home that wasn't conventionally religious. My mother had studied comparative religion (or whatever they called it then) and the attitude in our house was that the divine was transcendent and exceedingly mysterious. Every religion strives towards it but only captures a fragmentary aspect. (Imagine the Indian parable of the blind men and the elephant.)



    I understand and feel the same way. For one thing, agnosticism is certainly the most intellectually justifiable position to take on transcendental matters that may be unknowable simply by definition. For another, all the arguments about who is a heretic (like we see in this decidedly odd thread), who is saved, who "knows Jesus" (or alternatively, is a good member of the ummah) and who is doomed to hell, all lose their personal existential force. I have no concerns in that regard.

    I remain fascinated by religion but in a more academic way. I'm interested in the histories of the religions, their doctrinal controversies and in the underlying problems of religious epistemology.



    I just viscerally dislike the so-called "new atheists" and so many of the internet-atheists that seem to make rudeness and ill-founded attitude into virtues. That's one reason why I label myself an 'agnostic'.


    I may technically be an atheist though regarding revealed religion. I don't believe in the literal existence of the named deities of religious tradition, from Vishnu, Shiva or Krishna, to Yahweh and Allah. I'm quite happy saying I believe that they don't exist, though I acknowledge that the possibility remains (however small) that I might be wrong.

    When it comes to the more philosophical divine functions of natural theology -- why there is something rather than nothing, first-cause, source of cosmic order, ultimate ground of being itself -- my position is that I don't have a clue. I don't think that any human being does (or likely ever will). So that's where I'm most clearly an agnostic.

    I guess that combination makes me into something approaching a neo-Deist.



    I don't worry a whole lot about the fact that so many people don't think like I do, even on a board like this. I do find other people's beliefs interesting though.
    You are so lucid in your discussion of the topic on non- believing. It was easier for me to speak about God and what he has done for me, about being save and born again because that was the only thing that i knew. I was born into it and it was accepted as the truth. Now, I will be hesitant in saying i am a nonbeilver in the place of my birth. So I dont say anything. I still tell my family and friends what they want to hear. It makes them feel good, so i let it me. Everyone once in a while, i may challenge a friend on facebook who will post something silly, like God was with the person who survive but no memtioned of the other fishermen that drowned- i came from a small fishing village. We have many tragedies every year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by me again View Post
    Fakescholar, you were creating multiple threads (and many had syntax issues) and you never responded to them. They were like drive-by shootings (or drive-by postings), such as here:



    Fakescholar, when you were called on it, you did not present your own opinion (scholarly thought), but instead, you copied-and-pasted a large volume of material from this website:
    https://www.gotquestions.org/Catholic-Biblical.html

    Click here to see it. Your chosen user-name of "Fake Scholar" seems to be appropriate, doesn't it? LOL

    Seriously though, fakescholar, if you want to go to a regionally accredited theology program, then you will have to do more than just "copy-and-paste" the work of others. And if you do use large volumes of their work, then you will have to learn how to give them credit for it (there is a specific way to do that).

    Fakescholar, in the academic world, if a writer uses large amounts of someone elses work -- and if they don't give them credit for it (but pretend that it's their own original thought), then it's called "plagiarism." In the academic world, plagiarism is a big fancy 50 dollar word for theft or stealing. Fakescholar, if you desire to go down a theological journey, then you cannot steal the original work of others and then use it as your own creation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanislav View Post
    Great point, and churches are indeed filled with people like these. Yet a lot of grief I see in my church I also see in other groups of people. I'd say none of this is church-specific; it's just Romans 3:23 illustrated.

    Interestingly, I had slightly different experience. Priests I've met were, almost all, decent and rational people. It's some fellow lay people who displayed the worst behaviour. I know that priesthood is not immune to this, and indeed did have one unpleasant encounter with a (incidentally, Catholic) priest. But mostly they were quite good.
    Priests and pastors from mainline Protestant denominations are generally decent people in my experience. Humble, not self-obsessed sociopaths. It's the ones who think they have it all together, the entrepreneurs, the televangelists, the zealots, the smug neocalvinist go-getters, who tend to be ungodly creeps. Funny thing is my theology lines up more with the ones I think are creeps--I'm a pretty darned conservative Christian, at least in terms of theology (not conservative, right wing politics), but I tend to appreciate the company more of those with whom I have theologically differences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heirophant View Post
    I grew up in a home that wasn't conventionally religious.
    I grew up in a home that was entirely irreligious. No prayers, no church attendance, no Bible, no religious discussions. Absolutely nothing. When I became a follower of Jesus at the age of 18, that was the ultimate rebellion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FTFaculty View Post
    I grew up in a home that was entirely irreligious. No prayers, no church attendance, no Bible, no religious discussions. Absolutely nothing. When I became a follower of Jesus at the age of 18, that was the ultimate rebellion.
    This writer grew up in a home where the name of Jesus was never mentioned and the family eventually quit going to church at a very young age.

    There are many people in society who became atheists, but then had a personal experience and were shown that there is an eternal hell with an absence of God. Trying to convert atheists is extremely difficult because they believe that their foundation (of atheism) is built on empirical logic i.e. if something cannot be measured and tested in a man-made lab, then it doesn't exist. However, the Lord is merciful with everyone. The pit is a horrible place (Psalm 16:10). A YouTube called "23 minutes in hell" is one of the best documented anecdotal encounters with hell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by me again View Post
    This writer grew up in a home where the name of Jesus was never mentioned and the family eventually quit going to church at a very young age.

    There are many people in society who became atheists, but then had a personal experience and were shown that there is an eternal hell with an absence of God. Trying to convert atheists is extremely difficult because they believe that their foundation (of atheism) is built on empirical logic i.e. if something cannot be measured and tested in a man-made lab, then it doesn't exist. However, the Lord is merciful with everyone. The pit is a horrible place (Psalm 16:10). A YouTube called "23 minutes in hell" is one of the best documented anecdotal encounters with hell.
    The problem I have with most atheists, but not all, is that many think far more highly of their own intellectual abilities than they ought, and in general think far too highly of human logic. Full boat atheism is absurd on its face because for someone to be able to conclusively state "There is no God", they must by defintion have god-like knowledge and powers of reasoning. I don't claim to know much at all about the universe or even myself; I'm just a small, severely challenged thing. But that doesn't mean I'm incapable of telling people about what I've experienced, and I have experienced a relationship with something a lot bigger than me. I can't speak to anything more than my personal experience, sheesh, I can't even comprehend the size of the tiny speck of a planet on which I walk.

    To be a true atheist, however, as opposed to an agnostic, one must think that they, a tiny, insignificant thing on a perfectly average planet in a small solar system in an unremarkable galaxy in a universe more vast than anyone can possibly fathom (and who knows how many other universes or dimensions there could be besides?) has the ability to conclusively state that what they know is pretty much all there is to know and that their knowledge is sufficient to tell others what they've experienced. It's laughable, silly, ridiculous.

    But as silly and peurile as I think atheism is, I have a lot more contempt for fake Christians and abusers who populate many churches. Would rather throw back a beer with the average atheist than the average televangelist or mega church pastor.

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