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    Ukraine Turns to American Coal to Defend Itself Against Russia


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    That's is totally awesome!!! It's a win-win scenario. :-)
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    Since Russia swayed the elections for Trump and Trump loves Putin, they're practically bed buddies at this point...this does not bode well for American coal. Which will Trump choose, American Coal or his bestie Putin? And how long will it take for the cruise missiles to get from Germany to Ukraine?


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    Trump is a true friend to the coal industry - I heard a big coal man say so, for the cameras - the head of Peabody (now Peabody Energy, no longer Peabody Coal). And I don't think Putin will care that much. He's still got his hand on the gas valve and he understands business - as Trump does ... especially the darker aspects. Trump picked up a lot of votes by being nice to Big Coal - didn't need the Russians to get those.

    Coal is filthy stuff. I'm sorry Ukrainians have to use so much - but they do. We don't want another Chernobyl! American coal guys talk of "clean coal" and re-brand their companies as "energy" companies. Clean coal is an oxymoron. I live in a province that has finally outlived ALL its coal-fired power plants. Yes, I can tell the difference in air quality. It's not a magic bullet -- but it has helped - a lot.

    I hate coal. I lived in London, England during the coal days. Awful! Selling it overseas is not much better than selling it at home. That'll come back to bite us. Climate and pollution are world issues. What we do "there" affects how we live "here."

    "Win-win." Hmph!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johann View Post

    Coal is filthy stuff.
    Until you watch your family freeze to death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by decimon View Post
    Until you watch your family freeze to death.
    I already said Ukraine needs it! Hopefully, they will at some point manage to get on cleaner fuels.

    Decimon, despite occasional lapses, I'm not an idiot ...yet! I still have a way to go, thanks! I'm not in favour of anyone freezing -- except maybe political leaders I'm not naming here. And I still hate coal. We got away from heating homes with it in England - and here, but I realize it's a necessary evil in some places, e.g. Ukraine. For now, anyway. The sooner it can be made to go away entirely, the better. And you know that's what I meant! No need for the rhetoric. Easy enough - too easy, perhaps, to make me look stupid by fair methods. Use them instead, by all means. You know how.

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    One of the reasons Ukraine infrastructure got built around coal (in Soviet times - the workers' paradise did not give a rat's ass for the workers' lungs) is it has extensive coal resorces in Donetsk and Luhansk regions. Which we can't access now, because the area is occupied by Trump's man crush Putin's troops and proxies, and any coal revenues would go directly to finance terrorists. Hence, the need for American coal.

    Don't get me wrong, it's helpful to have this opportunity to stay warm, and a helpful step towards energy independence from the Mordor-on-Volga. It's funny though how the WH now brags about this coal deal, when the previous admin caught flak because Biden's son was in some way involved with a company trying to develop shale gas in Western Ukraine (which would help even more). Again, to be fair, Ukrainian prez brags about this even more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanislav View Post
    One of the reasons Ukraine infrastructure got built around coal (in Soviet times - the workers' paradise did not give a rat's ass for the workers' lungs) is it has extensive coal resorces in Donetsk and Luhansk regions. Which we can't access now, because the area is occupied by Trump's man crush Putin's troops and proxies, and any coal revenues would go directly to finance terrorists. Hence, the need for American coal.

    Don't get me wrong, it's helpful to have this opportunity to stay warm, and a helpful step towards energy independence from the Mordor-on-Volga. It's funny though how the WH now brags about this coal deal, when the previous admin caught flak because Biden's son was in some way involved with a company trying to develop shale gas in Western Ukraine (which would help even more). Again, to be fair, Ukrainian prez brags about this even more.

    Your Trump-thumping aside, the problem here is that we can't undo the Soviet era. Things are as they are and must be dealt with as is until things evolve to something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by decimon View Post
    Your Trump-thumping aside, the problem here is that we can't undo the Soviet era. Things are as they are and must be dealt with as is until things evolve to something else.
    No, actually, the problem here is that One That Means What He Says (TM) forcibly and violently cuts Ukraine off its own coal supply. Had he not done that, this particular problem would not exist. There would be different problems, sure, the whole region is messed up - but solving these would not involve a lowball figure of 10,000 dead, fvcked up infrastructure, and over a million IDPs. Meanwhile, the most powerful nation in the world and Budapest Memorandum guarantor party is led by a guy easily bamboozled by an aging KGB spy, surrounded by compromised actors. But thanks for the coal.
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