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    Gun Stores Selling Out Of Bump Stocks After Shooter Used Them In Las Vegas Massacre

    XVI.8: Confucius said, "There are three things of which the superior man stand in awe. He stands in awe of the ordinances of Heaven. He stands in awe of great men. He stands in awe of the words of the sages. The mean man does not know the ordinances of Heaven, and consequently does not stand in awe of them. He is disrespectful to great men. He makes sport of the words of the sages."

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    They are a loophole to a law that nearly everyone is saying should be closed. I'm hoping that the people buying them out are just collectors who don't want to miss out on an item that might be illegal soon.
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    There are several other "solutions" that do not violate the law and can provide similar results on semi-autos.
    I have even seen mods for bolt action rifles.

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    Meaningless, feel-good symbolism.

    Anyone competent in gunsmithing can turn a semi-automatic rifle into full-automatic without much trouble. Of course, that's illegal, but by definition.......drum roll please.....criminals don't obey the law.
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    When were bump stocks approved for sale?

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    It is true that criminals don't obey the law, but most mass shooters weren't criminals before they carried out their murders, and they obtained their guns legally. It takes the right connections to get certain things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 03310151 View Post
    When were bump stocks approved for sale?
    Around 7 years ago. Sometime around the end of the first year of the Obama Presidency, an ATF official recommended approval of this "goofy little doodad," as he called it. Story here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/inves...=.b6960f90cb58

    Some doodad...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johann View Post
    Around 7 years ago. Sometime around the end of the first year of the Obama Presidency, an ATF official recommended approval of this "goofy little doodad," as he called it. Story here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/inves...=.b6960f90cb58

    Some doodad...

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    It's funny, President Obama appeared to right wing people as very much anti 2A...which he may have been but a lot of things happened positively contra the 2A during his Presidency. Especially the SCOTUS decisions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sanantone View Post
    It takes the right connections to get certain things.

    I agree. We should also put a lot of thought into criminalizing certain speech. Also, cops know who the bad people are, know who has illegal guns, we should probably curtail the 4th amendment and let LE/FLE search suspected homes unregulated as well.


    That way we'll really get rid of the bad people.


    You were good with stop and frisk as implemented in NYC, right? It help deter crime, wonder why they stopped it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 03310151 View Post
    It's funny, President Obama appeared to right wing people as very much anti 2A...which he may have been but a lot of things happened positively contra the 2A during his Presidency. Especially the SCOTUS decisions.
    I don't know if ATF rubber-stamping this "goofy little doodad" would even come to the President's attention. Their take: it's a device, not a firearm. Would it? I just mentioned Pres. Obama because it happened during his time in office - not because he or his party personally approved it. I doubt he'd be called upon to do so, would he?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 03310151 View Post
    I agree. We should also put a lot of thought into criminalizing certain speech. Also, cops know who the bad people are, know who has illegal guns, we should probably curtail the 4th amendment and let LE/FLE search suspected homes unregulated as well.


    That way we'll really get rid of the bad people.


    You were good with stop and frisk as implemented in NYC, right? It help deter crime, wonder why they stopped it.
    Bump stocks aren't protected by the 2nd Amendment, and there is no evidence that NYC's stop and frisk policy deterred crime. Crime was dropping nationwide when that policy was implemented. Correlation does not equal causation.

    I don't know where you've been...your whole life, but the Supreme Court has already determined that certain types of speech aren't protected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johann View Post
    I don't know if ATF rubber-stamping this "goofy little doodad" would even come to the President's attention. Their take: it's a device, not a firearm. Would it? I just mentioned Pres. Obama because it happened during his time in office - not because he or his party personally approved it. I doubt he'd be called upon to do so, would he?

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    I don't think he would either, and I mentioned because it was approved while he was in office just like you do...not that he is somehow complicit in it's approval. That'd be just as dumb as blaming gas prices on the President, IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sanantone View Post
    It is true that criminals don't obey the law, but most mass shooters weren't criminals before they carried out their murders, and they obtained their guns legally. It takes the right connections to get certain things.
    So, you concede that more gun control is pointless?

    Glad we agree!
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    https://www.yahoo.com/news/nra-backs...184300567.html

    NRA backs regulation of bump stocks.
    XVI.8: Confucius said, "There are three things of which the superior man stand in awe. He stands in awe of the ordinances of Heaven. He stands in awe of great men. He stands in awe of the words of the sages. The mean man does not know the ordinances of Heaven, and consequently does not stand in awe of them. He is disrespectful to great men. He makes sport of the words of the sages."

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    Quote Originally Posted by sanantone View Post
    It is true that criminals don't obey the law, but most mass shooters weren't criminals before they carried out their murders, and they obtained their guns legally. It takes the right connections to get certain things.
    May we explore what you really are looking for?

    The LV shooter passed the federal background check, and wait period repeatedly. His psychological profile had little indication of his instability.

    What kind of background check, wait or solution would be satisfactory in your opinion?

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