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    Question Is homosexuality a sin?

    Click here to read heirophant's non-religious commentary about how the secular MSM is presenting transgenderism as if it is a major social concern that is fully embraced by the American people.

    Based on heirophant's cogent secular comments, the below "floodgate question" is presented for Christians:

    Is homosexuality a sin?

    For those who want to get technical, the question is re-asked in a different way:

    Is practicing homosexuality a sin?
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    Are you sure you're in the right forum?

    Intellectually, to the best of my knowledge, practicing homosexuality is a sin. Personally, I'm not dwelling on this question as I do not have this particular orientation; so it has nothing to do with me. I was never wronged by anyone practicing homosexuality (btw that's not technically accurate either as "homosexuality" is a gender identity not something you "practice". How about greed? adultery, me again? False witness? Bragging? Covetousness?). Well heterosexuals, that's another matter.

    I'm not even going to dwell on how you mix up homosexuality and transgenderism, as many overly obsessed with other people's sex lives are. Can a behaviour, namely sex practices between consenting adults, be branded "sinful" by the government? Episcopalians and United Universalists do not consider it sinful; should we have a state giving preference to one religion over another? What should be legal or constitutional implications of declaring something sinful? Are you advocating the use of religious-based law in your country? That is a million times bigger threat to Constitution than under 100 troops requesting sex readjustment procedures.
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    Since I'm being referred to in this thread, I'll post my own opinion despite my not being a Christian.

    First of all, I don't use the concept of 'sin' in my own thinking. I'm interpreting 'sin' to mean some kind of offense against God, and as I don't believe in God, I don't acknowledge the existence of sin.

    I do have reasonably strong ethical scruples, but I don't think that there is anything ethically or morally wrong about homosexuality (or the practice of homosexuality) per se.

    But I will say that excessive sexual desire, whether homosexual or heterosexual, can lead to trouble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanislav View Post
    Are you sure you're in the right forum?
    Are you sure you've been here since 2002?

    I'm not even going to dwell on how you mix up homosexuality and transgenderism...
    "Trump’s military transgender ban? It’s an attack on the whole LGBT community."

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...db8_story.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by decimon View Post
    Are you sure you've been here since 2002?
    Are you sure the question of sin belongs in "Politics" forum?


    Quote Originally Posted by decimon View Post
    "Trump’s military transgender ban? It’s an attack on the whole LGBT community."

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...db8_story.html
    It might well be. I feel that eg. Trump travel ban and anti-Mexican rants are attacks on all immigrants. Many do not feel this way; I think that's misguided.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanislav View Post
    Are you sure the question of sin belongs in "Politics" forum? It might well be.
    Politics and religion make a very interesting and combustible combination.
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    I like my penis. Mrs. 03310151 likes it too from time to time, but I can guarantee you I'm not the least bit concerned with what other men are doing with their dicks.


    This is not the hill to die on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanislav View Post
    Are you sure the question of sin belongs in "Politics" forum?
    I don't see a Sin Forum.

    It might well be.
    Trans might as well be all of LBGT? Then you weren't scoring heirophant on that?

    I feel that eg. Trump travel ban and anti-Mexican rants are attacks on all immigrants. Many do not feel this way; I think that's misguided.
    Now you say that a travel ban has to do with trans that might as well be all of LBGT. Anything else to throw in there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by decimon View Post
    I don't see a Sin Forum.
    There's Off-Topic for those inclined to discuss stuff like that.

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    Trans might as well be all of LBGT? Then you weren't scoring heirophant on that?
    Transgender ban might be an attack on all of LGBT. Honestly, this is not THAT cryptic.

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    Now you say that a travel ban has to do with trans that might as well be all of LBGT. Anything else to throw in there?
    No, travel ban on some immigrants can be part of an attack on all, or affect all in a negative way. Just like attacking T in the LGBT can be an attack on all, or rightly perceived as such by those in the community who might be next. Clear yet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanislav View Post


    Transgender ban might be an attack on all of LGBT. Honestly, this is not THAT cryptic.


    No, travel ban on some immigrants can be part of an attack on all, or affect all in a negative way. Just like attacking T in the LGBT can be an attack on all, or rightly perceived as such by those in the community who might be next. Clear yet?

    Those may be attacks on all human beings. You never know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by decimon View Post
    I don't see a Sin Forum.
    Contemporary politics is little more than virtue-signalling.

    It's about people insisting that their own moral intuitions are better than those of their opponents. It's about morally condemning those who think differently. It's about people wagging their fingers in other people's faces, shouting "Sinner! Sinner! Sinner!, Evil! Evil! Evil!"

    Culturally speaking, we live in an increasingly unpleasant, hugely moralistic, neo-puritan age.

    So moralistic politics seems to me to be increasingly be invading a social-psychological space once occupied by a certain kind of moralistic religiosity. That's why the politics of the "social justice warriors" is so annoyingly prevalent these days.
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    Is homosexuality a sin? Is practicing homosexuality a sin?
    Why are you asking? Is your waggle-finger itchy yet again?

    Sin is a religious term - a matter for religious authorities. If you're a believer - then govern your own behaviour as your local cleric tells you. Or not, as you choose. Just don't take any kind of judgment or retribution on anyone else.

    If you're asking if homosexuality / homosexual acts are "wrong" or "morally wrong" - well, I don't believe so, at all. That comes from 75 years of living and around 18 units of undergrad psychology in my 40s. Best I can do.

    Anyway, I thought Mike Pence said homosexuality can (and should?) be "cured." VP Mike Pence pulls a Pinocchio about his record on gay ‘cures’ and HIV · PinkNews

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    Quote Originally Posted by heirophant View Post
    Contemporary politics is little more than virtue-signalling.

    It's about people insisting that their own moral intuitions are better than those of their opponents. It's about morally condemning those who think differently. It's about people wagging their fingers in other people's faces, shouting "Sinner! Sinner! Sinner!, Evil! Evil! Evil!"

    Culturally speaking, we live in an increasingly unpleasant, hugely moralistic, neo-puritan age.

    So moralistic politics seems to me to be increasingly be invading a social-psychological space once occupied by a certain kind of moralistic religiosity. That's why the politics of the "social justice warriors" is so annoyingly prevalent these days.

    Worse, this is a genocidal morality. History repeats.

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    I used to practice homosexuality. Then I got good at it.

    So now I just do it for fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Levicoff View Post
    I used to practice homosexuality. Then I got good at it.

    So now I just do it for fun.

    Keep that fifth wheel greased.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Levicoff View Post
    I used to practice homosexuality. Then I got good at it.

    So now I just do it for fun.
    Steve, it took you a long time to show up. What is your theological opine on the original question?
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