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    Woman Who Laughed At Jeff Sessions Could Face Jail Time This Week

    Face jail time for laughing? What the heck!

    Woman Who Laughed At Jeff Sessions Could Face Jail Time This Week | HuffPost

    Seems kind of harsh. I really don't think they will give her jail time.

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    I made it two seconds into the article before they told a flat out lie about Jeff. I'm out, I mean this fake news to get Trump and anyone around his is really old. She broke the law of course on purpose, it crossed the line from a laughter. She was just being removed for the laughing...so she's not facing jail time for laughter.


    Rather, the jury could infer from testimony and video evidence about the laugh and Fairooz’s subsequent conduct that her laugh was an intentional, loud statement of disagreement. The jury could have considered that upon being removed, Fairooz had a sign at the ready and loudly proclaimed and demonstrated her views. The jury then could reasonably view the resulting disruption as both an intentional and foreseeable result of the defendant’s course of conduct.
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    The very concept of being prosecuted for laughing at an elected official is completely anti-freedom.
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    Lightbulb The jury found the woman guilty - "totality of the circumstances"

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    “The jury reasonably considered all of the defendant’s actions together in reaching the verdict. She did not merely laugh,” the government wrote.

    Prosecutors presented evidence that the defendant engaged in disorderly or disruptive conduct, which included laughing loudly at comments during the hearing.

    “More importantly,” prosecutors wrote, “Fairooz’s yelling disrupted the hearing and clearly exceeded the permissible bound of the tourist test.”

    The “tourist test” refers to the standard the government must prove that a protester’s actions are “more disruptive than those of tourists and others who are routinely permitted.”

    Prosecutors also focused on Fairooz’s behavior after an officer began taking her into custody.
    The jury listened to the evidence and found her guilty of disorderly conduct. The woman was not arrested for "merely laughing." There was much more to it then that. She was "consistently disorderly," which prevented the hearing from continuing in an orderly fashion. She was subsequently arrested and removed -- thus allowing the hearing to continue. The allegation that she was arrested for "merely laughing" is laughing.
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    I like her name. It's Arabic /Persian /Urdu /Kurdish for "successful" or "triumphant." Does Sessions like it? Does Trump?
    ...How long in jail would someone get for just thinking about them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abner View Post
    Face jail time for laughing? What the heck!

    Woman Who Laughed At Jeff Sessions Could Face Jail Time This Week | HuffPost

    Seems kind of harsh. I really don't think they will give her jail time.
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    The very concept of being prosecuted for laughing at an elected official is completely anti-freedom.
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    I like her name. It's Arabic /Persian /Urdu /Kurdish for "successful" or "triumphant." Does Sessions like it? Does Trump?
    ...How long in jail would someone get for just thinking about them?

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    Do we even live in a world that cares about facts? Liberals knee jerk and freak out. She was not charged for laughing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johann View Post
    I like her name. It's Arabic /Persian /Urdu /Kurdish for "successful" or "triumphant." How long in jail would someone get for just thinking about them?
    Johann, please consult with the Sharia Police for an answer to your question. Here is an article for you:

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    Quote Originally Posted by me again
    Johann, please consult with the Sharia Police for an answer to your question
    They are self-appointed: thugs and gang members, not police, and they function as criminal hate groups. They are no more representative of Islam than the Proud Boys are of Christianity. They are not the answer to any question. Is your intent to make "your" government guys look good by contrasting them with "their" low-life gang-bangers? I'd expect better of someone with a considerable amount of education , but Breitbart & co. seem to have a long reach.

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    It all depends, I wasn't there and haven't looked at a video or heard an audio and thus can't say in this particular case, but the First Amendment Freedom of Speech is absolutely subject to reasonable restrictions on the time, manner and place. I tell students "If I tell you 'I got a bomb in my pocket' here in class and under the circumstances it's obviously a joke intended to teach a point about the law, no problem, but if I tell the TSA employee the same thing as I stand in line for the metal detector, I'll be taken down fast and put in cuffs quickly and no juror is likely to let me off the hook for a disorderly conduct charge (or whatever federal charges they have covering this, not an expert on national security, homeland security , et. al.). Also tell them if I want to protest the judge, I have every right to do so walking up and diwn the sidewalk in front of the courthouse, subject to reasonable permitting requirements, but if I try to do so by shouting down the judge in her courtroom, totally different, I can be arrested for contempt of court, disorderly conduct, what have you. If the lady's conduct fell into this category, which it might, then you bet she can be prosecuted. She can get away with a while lot more outside the capitol building than she can during a session of Congress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johann View Post
    The [Sharia Police] are self-appointed: thugs and gang members, not police, and they function as criminal hate groups. They are no more representative of Islam than the Proud Boys are of Christianity. They are not the answer to any question. Is your intent to make "your" government guys look good by contrasting them with their low-life gang-bangers? Breitbart & co. seem to have a long reach.
    Johann, who are "the Proud Boys of Christianity"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by me again View Post
    Johann, who are "the Proud Boys of Christianity"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by b4cz28 View Post
    Do we even live in a world that cares about facts? Liberals knee jerk and freak out. .
    Don't get your chones all twisted up in a bunch. Calmate compa (calm down compadre)

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    I will say at the outset that I don't know anything about this specific situation - I haven't even read read the article. But . . . if you go into a meeting with a government official, a press conference or some other type of meeting where there are lots of people, and you act in a disruptive manner - something that would be deliberate behavior - and actually disrupt the meeting, then it could be considered to be "disorderly conduct." Trumpeters have a history of being especially intolerant of this - remember Trumps comments about "punch him in the face" . . . "throw him out of here" etc. I'm guessing that this woman knew all of this in advance and then did it anyway. It could easily be considered to be an act of protest or civil disobedience. Protesters get arrested all the time. They lay down in the street forcing the Police to carry them away. Some of them wear their arrest record as a badge of honor. My guess is that she wasn't particularly surprised or dismayed at the outcome. It's just the price of doing business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizmet View Post
    I will say at the outset that I don't know anything about this specific situation - I haven't even read read the article. But . . . if you go into a meeting with a government official, a press conference or some other type of meeting where there are lots of people, and you act in a disruptive manner - something that would be deliberate behavior - and actually disrupt the meeting, then it could be considered to be "disorderly conduct." Trumpeters have a history of being especially intolerant of this - remember Trumps comments about "punch him in the face" . . . "throw him out of here" etc. I'm guessing that this woman knew all of this in advance and then did it anyway. It could easily be considered to be an act of protest or civil disobedience. Protesters get arrested all the time. They lay down in the street forcing the Police to carry them away. Some of them wear their arrest record as a badge of honor. My guess is that she wasn't particularly surprised or dismayed at the outcome. It's just the price of doing business.
    Are members of the public supposed to not laugh out loud when officials say ridiculous things?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveFoerster View Post
    Are members of the public supposed to not laugh out loud when officials say ridiculous things?
    Sure they can laugh out loud at things they believe are ridiculous, just as you can, be it the claim that Sessions is as white as snow, Hillary's as honest as your mother, or Trump's a humble feller.

    But if they disrupt a session of congress or a court proceeding, they can be arrested. Again, I can't say if she actually did, wasn't there, haven't seen anything on video. May be just purely vindictive politicians behind it, which wouldn't be a totally new concept. But if she'd been standing outside with 50 other people in pink carrying out a laughing protest, then they sure better not arrest her, and in fact, political speech, including that which is harshly critical of government, has extra protections, e.g., if you drop the F-bomb while protesting against Jeff Sessions in a public speech, that has redeeming merit and in most instances shouldn't be prosecuted (as opposed to one of my students having a few too many foamy ones and stumbling out the doors of the bar loudly shouting "F***! F***!", who is far more likely to be prosecuted for disorderly conduct).

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    This is a video of the event within a Slate "article".

    I think the best venue is to get rid of juries, and let all things be decided by the impartial and always correct internet. Now that would be really "by your peers". /s

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