African American Addresses Republicans Whose Leader Compared Obama to Chimp

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  1. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    I know, I know, this is a left leaning news medial outlet and all, but it still brings up some good points. I guess I could have went to the trouble of finding a more centered article, but, ah, what the heck. Here it is:

    African American Addresses Republicans Whose Leader Compared Obama to Chimp

    “If you do something that is insensitive or offensive, you have to own it,” Wilburn told me. “You can’t just sweep it under the rug and pretend it didn’t exist and hope it goes away.”

    It's that simple. If you say something that offends someone, just own up to it. What is so hard about that? Now, there is something very wrong with referring to President of the United States, the Commander in Chief, as a chimp. I have family and friends in other parts of the world, and they make comments about this stuff. It's kind of embarrassing.

    Geez! What kind of comments will the next Black President (if we have one).the next Hispanic President or the next Asian President going to have to put up with? What is he supposed to tell his children or his family?
     
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  2. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    Wow, they're really getting desperate. That's a good sign for Trump.
     
  3. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Unlike the polls, which are a terrible sign for him.

    Anyway, I know a lot of people rightly point out that Bush was constantly referred to and depicted as a chimpanzee while he was president, but the comparison takes on different overtones with Obama. If you want to insult Obama, stick to policy-based reasons, it's not like there aren't plenty.
     
  4. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    It's klnd of late now, the fun was had by all and he is out in a few months. But it get the sentiment anyway. I mean, when you had a group of fellas meeting the day of, or the next day (I don't remember) to say they were going to oppose/obstruct everything this particular President does, it makes me wonder about stuff. Hmm.
     
  5. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    Kind of like the polls that showed the "Stay" Brexit people had a 3-1 advantage over the "Leave" side?

    This "leader" is the head of a county Republican group. A single county in Colorado. population 30,000, which even around here, is the size of a small-medium town. In typical fashion, the Democrat propaganda machine (also known as the mainstream media) is trying to make Mount Everest out of a mole hill; they're trying to spin it like Reince Priebus put on a chimpanzee costume and did a Barack Obama impression.

    As I've been saying, journalism is dead in the United States.
     
  6. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Trump supporters want it both ways on polls. Their guy has been crowing about his polling for the last year. He brings it up routinely and without prompting. But now that he's tanking in those same polls, they're either wrong or they don't matter.

    Polling sometimes makes mistakes, but its usually on a narrow matter. The process doesn't err when it comes to the Presidency. When was the last time polling made a mistake regarding the President? No, not Dewey vs. Truman. That result was well within the margin of error. No, you have to go back to FDR vs. Hoover in 1932. Polling indicated a Hoover win, but their polling error was huge. They did it by phone, which favored the Republican--who's supporters disproportionately owned phones at that time. Since then, the polls have been very accurate in predicting the electoral outcome. (Gore vs. Bush was in the margin of error, too.)

    A different take: it's early. Polls can move dramatically from, say, June to October. But again, not so much this time since (a) these candidates are so well known, there's not much more about them that voters will learn and (b) the only candidate making any revelations at all is Trump, and it's all so personally negative. That's why, when you see the numbers move at all, they move badly for him.

    Trump cannot un-say all the things he's put out there that have created this current condition. They're out there. His only hope to improve involves a tack toward being Presidential and a short memory on the part of the public. Well, he's not inclined to do the first one, so the second may not even get tested. This means the GOP's hopes come down to Hillary Clinton being indicted criminally in the e-mail matter.
     
  7. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    There were polls that showed Remain slightly in the lead. There weren't polls that showed Remain at 75%.

    Anyway, yes, I agree it's likely that Trump's actual support would be somewhat higher than polls say, because many people who like what he has to say are too embarrassed to admit it to pollsters -- an American version of the Shy Tory Factor that propelled Leave to victory despite polls predicting the opposite, and which gave Cameron an outright majority when all the polls predicted a hung Parliament.

    But the "shy Trumpero factor" is not anywhere near enough to account for the difference between him and Clinton.
     
  8. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Actually, Rich, the reason the 1948 poll came up with the result that "Dewey defeats Truman" was because it was a telephone poll and in 1948 only rich people had telephones.
     
  9. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    No, the 1948 mis-call was based on poorly conducted surveys at the polling places after people voted. That's what led to the wrong headlines.

    My mistake was that I said it was Roosevelt against Hoover. It was in 1936, FDR against Landon. Same concept, though. Misleading telephone polling.
     

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