too simple I don't find the liberal---conservative scale to be very helpful. Historically "conservative" means looking to the past. Many of the so called conservatives are currently favoring re-interpreting the U.S. Constitution in ways the founding fathers never intended. Particularly in the areas of search and seizure. Despite our consitution clearly indicating that voting is good. The US government supports many governments which never intend to have elections. Some conservatives seem to want to have a "state religion". Again this would not be a traditional view, since there was great fear of a federal government imposing religion. Finally, usually conservatives harken back to states rights. That would be a true conservative stance. However, many people who call themselves conservatives today, now want increased federal powers. So I don't think the old idea of conservative-liberal makes sense any more. All the best!
Re: too simple As opposed to the so-called liberals, who want to pervert the founding father's intent of the Second Amendment. I find it much easier and less stressful to avoid political debate. I'm not likely to change anyone else's mind, and no one is going to change mine, so it's an exercise in futility. Bruce
Re: Re: too simple Bruce, of course, is absolutely correct. Whereas he would say that it's the liberals that want to pervert the founding fathers' intent in regards to the Second Amendment, I would say exactly the same thing, but I would substitute "so-called conservatives" for "so-called liberals". Am I going to change his mind? Not likely. Is he going to change my mind? Not likely. Then why even have the argument? Tom Nixon