Jesus Rose from the Dead and is Alive Forevermore!!!

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  1. RAM PhD

    RAM PhD Member

    No one has posted regarding the Resurrection, so I shall gladly do so. The Christian community celebrates this day in commemoration of the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Indeed, the Savior of humankind rose from the dead and lives forevermore. While many consider the story as mindless conjecture, not even their unbelief changes what happened. No desire to debate the issue (no amount of debate or argumentation will change) on my part, just a statement to honor and commemorate the Resurrection.
     
  2. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Right. I agree, an event did or did not happen, regardless of one's beliefs. That's just the way I feel, too, about the origins of the universe, evolution and natural selection, and many other scientific truths. However, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

    Hoppy Easter!
     
  3. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    The evidence is there, volumes worth to be honest, whether you choose to accept it as extraordinary is up to you.

    Now that I've ticked off unbelievers, allow me to tick off believers. In Exodus 20:3, God commands his people to not bring any other gods before him. Easter, however, originated as a celebration to the Anglo-Saxon goddess of light, called Eastre. The symbols of rabbits and eggs are pagan in origin, honoring various gods and goddesses of fertility. 2 Cor 6:15- "What fellowship can light have with darkness? What harmony is there between Christ and Belial?" Mark 7:7,8- "They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules.'You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.”

    On that note- Happy Sunday, April 20, 2014 of the Common Era- believers, unbelievers and undecideds alike!!!! :fest30:

    I wish everyone a fantastic YAY IT'S FINALLY SPRING day!!!!
     
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  4. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    The difference is that scientists are very, very open to being proven wrong, changing their minds, altering what is believed to be true on the basis of new evidence. It's not about belief.

    The Christian resurrection story is an intriguing one. And one of many such stories. It seems to be a common need to tell them.
     
  5. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Red herring. Also, implied false dichotomy and poisoning the well fallacies. If I posited that "the claim that George Washington was the first president of the US has not been proven by science" you'd likely scratch your head and wonder what the heck I was talking about. There may be certain ways that science can help prove or disprove historicity, but the evidence is not limited to scientific data and, more importantly, no one was saying that scientific data wasn't a part of the equation to begin with, so why defend it as if anyone did?

    be·lief
    noun
    1. an acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists.

    Without belief, science can not advance past solipsism. Scientific theories are sets of statements, projected into hypotheses which are themselves statements for which there is a question of veracity which are themselves are either validated or invalidated empirically. In other words, the POINT of science is to find out what can be accepted as true or as existing, that is, what to believe.
     
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  6. AV8R

    AV8R Active Member

    Really? You mean something like the global warming "scientists" who base their predictions on flawed computer models? There hasn't been any warming in nearly two decades and many still cling onto that theory to such a degree that it has become a secular religion. Oh, they no longer call it "global warming." They can't since we've been in a cooling trend. The catch-all phrase now is "climate change." If you dare to disagree with these guys with facts they resort to name-calling such as flat-earthers, climate change deniers, etc.

    Scientists are just people...deeply flawed people just like the rest of us. And yes, they have been known to fudge numbers, make things up, and even lie about their findings in order to reach a certain politically correct conclusion to keep the grant money flowing.
     
  7. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    A referendum on scientists is a separate question from a referendum on science. Even so, I'd be much more inclined to accept the trustworthiness of scientific claims over theological claims, since the former are the ones who at least have accountability to other professionals and a directive of transparency of methodology. Frauds and errors have occurred, including a few very recent ones, but it isn't like scientists typically just make stuff up.
     
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  8. AV8R

    AV8R Active Member

    Sure they do. In fact, there's a term for it: scientific misconduct. I think it's more prevalent than most people realize because people tend to put a lot of faith in those white coats.

    Scientific misconduct - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Scientific Misconduct - CheatingCulture

    Articles about Scientific Misconduct - Chicago Tribune

    Scientific Misconduct Blog

    Misconduct in science: An array of errors | The Economist

    I could literally go on and on and on with examples.
     
  9. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    I highly recommend this book: Wrong: Why experts* keep failing us--and how to know when not to trust them, David H. Freedman: 9780316087919: Amazon.com: Books. (I also highly recommend to check your library for it before buying it!) Some very interesting insights on how scientific studies receive funding and a bias towards findings of positive results in scientific journals and popular media.

    The point is to always be skeptical, not just selectively so. Be extremely skeptical of anyone making a religious claim and be extremely skeptical of someone making a scientific claim. Lastly, be extremely skeptical of skeptics' claims.
     
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  10. AV8R

    AV8R Active Member

    Looks like a very interesting book. I'll have to check that out sometime.

    And back to the original purpose for this thread...

    Happy Easter everyone!
     
  11. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Well, that was easy.

    Hoppy Easter!
     
  12. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Jelly beans, however, are a more recent development and therefore apparently are still okay even for the most conservative of the faithful. :wink:
     
  13. mattbrent

    mattbrent Well-Known Member

    Did you know that if you plant Jelly Beans on the day before Easter, they'll grow into lollipops? It's true! Ask my kids!

    -Matt
     
  14. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Even Jelly Bellies? (They're sinfully delish!)
     
  15. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    I can attest to this, personally. Also, to the fact that the day after Easter, when the chocolate Easter bunnies are just chocolate bunnies, they are still freakin delicious. :redface:
     
  16. JWC

    JWC New Member

    He is risen; He is risen indeed!
     
  17. 03310151

    03310151 Active Member

    I like Starburst Jellybeans.
     
  18. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    Happy Easter Rev. It was a good day, even for a prodigal son like me.

    Abner :smile:
     
  19. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    If your proof for everything is that it's magic, then it's the same as having no proof at all.

    That said, no being has ever lived that long. Oh, right, I forgot to yell "Magic!" There, now it's true.
     
  20. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    I like how you remembered to begin the sentence with the word "if". Let me see how well I can follow suit.

    If (so far so good!!) you are so afraid of the truth that you would rather dishonestly and self-servingly attribute unflattering and unreasonable positions to others than to actually hear their case out, then you are multiple times more ignorant than you falsely believe said others to be- by choice.

    What? I said "if".
     

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