Mass shooting, 7 killed - Wisconsin

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  1. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

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  2. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    I worry about incidents like these happening so close together around the time of a pivotal and controversial situation concerning gun control laws. My worry increases when Government and media continue floating around words like "domestic terrorism".

    Something just feels wrong about all of it...
     
  3. Manturo

    Manturo Member

    The phrase "domestic terrorism" is accurate because he was a white supremacist. His motives are tied to hate groups and the KKK et. al. are domestic terrorist groups.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/07/us/army-veteran-identified-as-suspect-in-wisconsin-shooting.html?ref=us

    Sikh temple shooter's soundtrack of hate | Fox News

    No one with power is talking about gun control: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/27/opinion/candidates-cower-on-gun-control.html

    So I'll worry more about returning veterans with mental health issues wielding weaponry than big bad government at this point. There is nothing stopping people with violent histories getting guns to hurt people. This will keep happening.
     
  4. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    While I'm obviously against the idiots of the KKK, I think the Government designating them as a domestic terrorist group is dubious considering that the KKK is open to practice on American soil and has been for generations. But then again, considering the known fact that the U.S. Government has trained, funded, and armed many of the same terrorist groups they send our young men to die fighting against--only to later ally themselves with said groups when it's convenient, smh--I don't see how any stance they take against them can be taken with respect. Hell, the U.S. Government and the other Western powers--while taking down Gaddafi--worked with a guy (Abdel-Hakim al-Hasidi) who is verifiably known to have backing ties to Al-Quaeda and also had Al-Quaeda soldiers fighting in his recent army against Gaddafi, an army supported by the United States Government and its other western allies, and that was even reported by mainstream news. But everyone ignores that...

    Now, I'm not disputing the accuracy of the term "domestic terrorist", it is what it is. But I am concerned about the frequency and questionable discretion with which the term is currently being used by Government and media, and we can't ignore the current political climate and agenda in the forefront (big coming election, gun control legislation) possibly being connected to this campaign. It's not like mass shootings hadn't happened countless times before 2001 or recently since the term "domestic terrorist" became the beast's buzzword.

    These entities (Government included) are businesses--which people tend to forget or don't realize altogether--and the buzzwords they spit out are just slogans and catchphrases for the promotion of their agenda(s). The endgame is long here, because anyone who causes havoc on any scale large or small could be lumped into the group of domestic terrorist, and that type of approach is dangerous to common rights and justice for all sorts of obvious reasons.

    And while the concern for some veterans returning with mental health issues is plausible, we need to stop and remember who sent them there to be stricken with those issues in the first place, and then we need to ask why those who sent them there aren't taking care of them properly. We can't ignore that the same people who send these troops to these places to kill other people (a great deal of whom turn out to be innocent civilians) over a true motive that they know nothing about, covered under the tired guise of "freedom and democracy" or whatever buzzword brainwash garbage they spew at that time, are the same people who treat those soldiers like trash when they come home. They send a guy to go fight some war in some far away country and risk life and limb only to return home to low pay, or no job at all, and poor health care making the suffering the soldier has to deal with post-war just that much more unbearable.

    So yeah, I'm worried about all the stuff you mentioned, but I'm more worried about the psychopaths in the world's Governments who are causing it, playing with people's lives like pawns on a chess board.

    Here's an idea: If they want to fight these unnecessary wars, maybe they should get off their fat, lazy butts and go do it themselves so our young don't have to keep fighting for causes that are truly only designed to make the machine richer, more powerful, and more controlling, while the average person is drilled deeper into debt and charged more and more for things that would still be wildly profitable at only a small percentage of its current cost to the consumer. But God forbid they risk their lives for their own causes. Oh no, it's much easier for them to send my kids and your kids to die for their latest fabrication. This will keep happening.
     
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  5. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    "Terrorism" even without the "domestic" tag has been a pretty difficult word to solidly define. I tend to think that the aim of terrorism is not simply anti-personnel, but aimed at changing social structures and causing long-term and far-reaching behavioral changes via fear. I like my definition, since it consistently aligns well with how the word is used in most occasions, however just about anything involving an airplane or a bomb is given the terrorism label whereas mass shootings, even with a political motive, are named as such less frequently.

    It's amazing how infrequently occurrences like these actually happen, considering how many angry people there are and how many millions of guns there are out there. How hard would it be for 10 people to coordinate movie theater mass shooting attacks in different locations on the same day? It could easily be this or another decade's 9/11. But it doesn't happen. Hopefully it never happens.
     

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