Kajukenbo

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  1. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

  2. 03310151

    03310151 Active Member

    Looks very Kenpo'ish. Some simple sweeps can be good, but are very much worhtless with a fighter who can move a bit so I am skeptical of sweeping techniques that don't require control of your opponents upper body.

    Carotid Atery strikes? How do you practice those at speed? I'm more impressed with live demonstrations against resisting opponents, otherwise it's nothing more than choreographed dance routines. Seems like it might be interesting to train, but I'm not sure of its applicability?
     
  3. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    Stomach meridian #5 knockout. Narrated by GM Eric Lee. GM Garza knocked out his son cold! He did not mean to, but it was something. I was there. :smile:

    al garza knocks out son - Yahoo! Search Results


    Abner
     
  4. 03310151

    03310151 Active Member

    Abner. Come on, is this the kind of stuff you study? That demo was so unrealistic! The stikes were slow, the opponent was throwing pre planned strikes, he was not alive and not active. His uke (for lack of a better term) stays in his striking form, hits in the exact spot the GM has his hands.

    I'm gonna have to call fake on this one. I have been choked out a few times, have choked people out, and been around a lot of people who are knocked out and not a one reacts the way this kid does.

    These systems that advertise "non-linear" attacks and such reak of fake woo woo. I know that this art is not geared towards competition and that they might not spar a lot, but for any martial art to be taken seriously it should have some period of performance either in sparring, competition or even aplicability in the military or law enforcement where there are verifiable instances of using the art in a real situation.

    Otherwise it's just theory.

    I belong to a group that gets together across the country and we get together and spar and compare notes. It is more MMA focused of course, the majority of guys (and girls too) come to fight are BJJ and Muay Thai but we invite everyone to come in and train and work out. We've had Krav Maga guys, Kung Fu, Tai Chi (I'm sorry but most of these are the biggest jokes), Judo, TKD, Kenpo, boxers and wrestlers. We spar at full speed but do tend to pull punches. Cups, mouthpieces, foot and shin guard are all required. It is very interesting to see proponents of one style come in and be totally taken off guard by another style. We all learn from one another and noboady gets hurt (too badly). I took a round house kick to the head from a Tang So Do (sp?)kid, he must have been about 19 maybe but that kick rang my bell and took the headgear off. It was AWESOME. We do sometimes get mean with people who talk about their deadly strikes to "pressure points" and what not. Because once you get into a ring with someone who knows what they are doing and is moving around not letting you hit the stomach meridan while trying to punch you in the chin or perform double leg take down's its very easy to separate the wheat from the chafe. For me, my only focus is on boxing (best punching for power) and Judo- I like the dynamnic throws and it has some good grappling as well.

    If you are ever interested I can let you know what the next meet up will be in SoCal-they meet their quite a bit. I've only met 4 times, 2 in Seattle, 1 in Portland, and 1 over here in NOVA last year, but it is a lot of fun and pretty exciting to test all of your "theory".
     
  5. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    Ah, I see you have it all figured out Cory. I have studied many arts. I have done the knock em sock em thing. I have found it is always good to understand all ways.

    Abner


     
  6. 03310151

    03310151 Active Member

    Nope don't have it figured out. Just don't like learning things in an echo chamber-where would we all be if we supressed all dissenting opinions? Still believing the sun revolves around the earth I bet.

    I understand the various reason people study martial arts; stress relief, comraderie, self defense, physical conditioning, self improvement, I get all of those. If you call your art deadly, don't be surprised when someone says "let's test that out a little bit". If your art is good, it will survive and thrive. Judo, BJJ, Boxing, Wrestling, Muay Thai are all thriving because they have elements that work and work well.

    Use it or don't use it, the choice is yours. But don't sell it as something it is not. Don't prey on single mothers with little kids and jilt them out of money for nothing more than glorified daycare. Don't teach women that if they study "hte re3l deadly art lolz zomfg! that they can take on multiple male attackers. I don't like stuff like that.

    I'm no badass or tough guy. I like to learn and keep my body and mind sharp and sometimes the painful lessons bring the most rewards. I use about 3-4 good Judo throws out of about 40 that I know very well. Use what is useful or enjoy the rest for what it is.

    "Study strategy over the years and achieve the spirit of the warrior. Today is victory over yourself of yesterday; tomorrow is your victory over lesser men."
    Miyamoto Musashi
     
  7. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

     
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  11. ITJD

    ITJD Active Member

    Had to look at the URL again, thought I was reading the Bullshido forums for a sec.
     
  12. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    LOL! These MA guys are full of bullshido!

    :haha:

    Guys, I love ya but it is a kind of supermacho, my moves and more super than yours, even if they're just videos and ancedotes and stuff.
     
  13. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    Bullshido followers have a certain school of thought, and that is fine. They subscribe to the "something only works" if you pound the shite of out each other opinion. Then are those who have already done that, like Mr. Garza and myself. We went through the boxing thing, wrestling thing, gracie thing, thai thing, Hawaiin Kenpo/Lima Lama thing, just about everything thing. :smile:

    Gents like Garza have evolved beyond the knock em sock em point. Those of us who have studied MA since childhood, begin looking beyond the "points" or "circular spectrum, and move over in to the linear "quickest" distance from point A to point B theorum. The knock em sock em point of view is dictated upon the "strongest" will survie theory. This is flawed thinking, because there will always be someone who is better and stronger than oneself.

    As to the skepticism of "pressure points"application. Pressure points strikes do work if applied by someone with the proper education and MA skills. For example, what constitutes a pressure point strike? A simple blow/chop to the neck will bring someone down like a stack of bricks. To an experienced practioner, this is not a difficult move.

    Gotta run, just a few thoughts!

    Abner :smile:
     
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  14. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    Me super macho? Nah.

    ITJD is referring to an actual forum when he refers to Bullshido. Thus, my statement about bullshido followers.

    Abner :smile:
     

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