Another case of an organization condoning bad behavior. Mental health worker who reported child porn fired - US news - Life - msnbc.com Abner
Interesting. Thankfully some people seem to still have moral courage to do what is right. She did break a company policy though and should face up to those consequences, although I think a reprimand would be more in line as opposed to outright firing her.
Montana huh? If she were in Texas I'd pull every string I could to see she was hired by someone who values ethical conduct in their employees more than HR policies. What a sad world we live in.
Based on what was reported: 1. It is not illegal to look at porn. There are many websites that say "Teenage Girls" that are showing photos of 18 and 19 year olds. The news article doesn't specify what the site was or if the content was of underage children, simply that the tab of the web browser said "Teenage Girls". 2. Management and HR advised the employee not to report Gribble. The employee did anyway. What isn't reported is what the company did to investigate and whether or not they intended to escalate to local law enforcement after their review. Based on having something reported to them, they are legally bound to investigate and the employee needs to not meddle during it, but may need to file a statement once the matter escalates. 3. The employee went to the police anyway, circumventing process. This creates liability for the company and risk if the employee's moral compass isn't in line with the facts that present themselves. So while I agree that the moral end game in reporting the matter to the police is appropriate, I disagree that the matter was best handled this way. The only reason why this is report worthy is because she ended up being right. End doesn't justify means and at the end of the day both people being fired is appropriate.
From the Missoulian article the MSNBC article above links to: Counseling service client accused of child porn; employee who called police fired (Gwen Florio, the Missoulian, web-posted November 9, 2011) I guess this contravenes the account from the administrator of the service, defending their action in firing the employee, that the issue was one tab that said "teenage girls." In the absence of any other information, I'd give more credence the much more specific account that seems to come first-hand from the employee.
ITJD and Cajun, did you see my post above with the Missoulian article that described two browser tabs with the words "child" and "preteen" respectively?
No but with full disclosure my position is irrelevant to the topic. Thanks for the clarity. Guy was a scumbag. Doesn't change the corporate response though. Was there anything in there about what the company was doing? I will respectfully request that any article submitted for discussion on the forum be linked to the most complete telling of the story.
I guess in the end, there are still some people willing to do the right thing, regardless of the consequences. So I applaud her. I do think it was poor judgement for her employer to fire her, and won't look good to stakeholders and the community. Abner
Abner, I agree with your sentiment on a personal level. On a professional level I keep waiting to see some evidence of these mythical stakeholders and communities that care (even marginally) about this stuff so long as costs are kept low, profits are high and the issue doesn't affect them personally. I'd also like to state that the post you quoted was based on the original article you linked, not the more complete telling of the story presented by Jonathan. If you'd be kind enough to post only articles that make a decent attempt at providing data that'd be awesome I recinded much of my position in a later post. ITJD
Yes, you are probably right. I hear that health care, especially in rest homes, is becoming symptomatic of patient abuse, and employer cover ups. I am hearing this from former CNA and other types, so it is my opinion. I will not bother citing referernces. Have a good one! Abner
I will, you too. Another request. If you're going to quote me, do it properly or don't bother replying to me. The proper context makes a huge difference even if I do agree with your sentiment. Don't Fox News me. Many people who read these threads don't read all of the posts in them and we're accountable to our writing. The quote is: "I agree with your sentiment on a personal level. On a professional level I keep waiting to see some evidence of these mythical stakeholders and communities that care (even marginally) about this stuff so long as costs are kept low, profits are high and the issue doesn't affect them personally." Night ITJD
I am very sorry Professor. Members have been responding this way since I have since I joined here. I will simply not reply to any of your posts from here on out. Abner
