Eugenics victin, son fighting together for justice

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  1. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

  2. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    :mad: OH MY GOODNESS....

    I literally had no idea that that actually happened in this country. I couldn't finish reading the article, it made me so sick to my stomach. Mankind sucks- plain and simple. I'm ashamed to be of the same species as the people who were involved with it.
     
  3. StefanM

    StefanM New Member

    Stories like this remind me that a lot of the talk about the "good old days" is nothing more than talk.

    Our society is far from perfect, but we have made some important progress.
     
  4. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    I just can not believe things like this to be true - it is just so sick. It makes me wonder what is taking place now behind closed doors.
     
  5. GeneralSnus

    GeneralSnus Member

    You should read this excellent series the Winston-Salem Journal did a few years back:

    The Winston-Salem Journal: Against Their Will - North Carolina's Sterilization Program
     
  6. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

  7. FJD

    FJD Member

    Although no state (as far as I know) permits involuntary sterilization of the mentally handicapped, the practice has never been found by the Supreme Court to violate the U.S. Constitution. In fact, this practice was upheld in Buck v. Bell, 274 U.S. 200 (1927), in which the great jurist Oliver Wendell Holmes (in not one of his finest moments) concluded his remarks upholding Virginia's law with, "three generations of imbeciles are enough." The VA law was later repealed in 1974. Around the same time, most other states having such laws also repealed them.

    I think people's reaction to discovering this sort of thing went on in the U.S. says a lot: for all our problems, our standards of decency have evolved quite a bit and we in turn treat each other better as a result.
     
  8. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member

    This is a sick for sure but at some point she needs to let the past go so she can move on with her life. I'm sure most of the people are dead and gone that did this. We did lots of things far worse than this in this country.

    I like how the article tries to make it a racial issue when just as many whites were affected, why do they feel the need to try to make everything about race?

    There is a huge gap in there....So for the first decade 79% were white, then by her case 64% were black? What about the years in between? People twisting stuff to fit their prospective and fueling the racial fire of America.
     
  9. GeneralSnus

    GeneralSnus Member

    If you read the Against Their Will series, you'll see that the North Carolina Eugenics Board began targeting Blacks for sterilization in the 1950s, and that many of the physicians who performed the procedures are still around.
     
  10. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member

    So how long did the program run when it was targeting whites?? Is there a book about that?

    I really don't want you to answer I'm just saying that it sucked what they did but it affected others and they did the same thing to whites.
     
  11. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    You mentioned that the first decade 79% were white. It may be that that is close to the proportion of whites (I wouldn't know where to look that up to confirm it... :sad:)

    It might not be directly a race issue, however. It looks like they targeted the poor, which due to Jim Crow (which IS directly a race issue) would easily disfavor nonwhites, especially black.
     
  12. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Blacks were about 10% of the population at the time.
     
  13. 03310151

    03310151 Active Member

    During the Nuremburg trials the Nazi's pointed to the US movement in Eugenics as justification for the Nazi sterilization procedures (half a million)done during the war.

    Among it's early supporters: Teddy Roosevelt, Alezander Graham Bell, and the founder of Planned Parenthood - Margaret Sanger.
     
  14. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member

    The 79% came from the art so I don't even know where to look that up. And let us not forget there and were more whites on the welfair rolls than blacks even back then. There are a lot of poor whites out there. All I wanted to point out is that the article make a huge jump with dates in stats and it seems to be over looked. It appears to be done to show how they were targeted, race issues etc but its unethical to not show all the data and just use what supports your pov. Who is out there jumping up and down for the whites that were hurt by this? No one.
     
  15. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    I don't know where that is coming from. No one is saying that only blacks had a raw deal in this. If there is any real problem, it is that no one is jumping up and down at all. I never knew about this, and I am pretty well read. I imagine that the majority of Americans are as ignorant as I was before I opened this thread.
     
  16. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member

    I was in the same boat as you when I read this I was shocked. It just really po me when they tried to make it about race.
     
  17. BobbyJim

    BobbyJim New Member

  18. BobbyJim

    BobbyJim New Member

    Interesting that California had the most, while LA and TX didn't appear to have any known cases of forced sterilization!!!!
     
  19. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member

    Its hard to think this went on into the 1980's, Mich was doing it till 1983 wow! Thanks for the post.


    Hey BobyJim has your cowpattys dried up yet in the heat? Gonna have to chang the name of you town...lol
     
  20. BobbyJim

    BobbyJim New Member

    Our cowpatties dried up and blew away in this 100+ heat :sour:
     

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