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    Question Sensitivity to beliefs...

    Should we be sensitive to the beliefs of others -- why? Should we be sensitive to the beliefs of Scientologists, for example? Why or why not? In modern terms, their beliefs and those other alien-based faiths are arguably less crazy than any of the Abrahamic religions. Yet I see Christians often deride this and other faiths while holding to cherished beliefs that are many times more far fetched.

    If an adult was running around saying that Santa Claus was real, how should we react? To atheists, we live in a world with hundreds of millions of people who believe in a Santa Claus of some sort. It is painfully hard not to say "there's no such thing as Santa Claus", you goofball. Why shouldn't we say it? Why should we be sensitive to things that are clearly wrong?

    When I was a Christian I hated those who attacked my beliefs but now I couldn't be more grateful. It is those people who challenged me and woke me up and made me realize I was wrong. I am a better person for it.

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    I go to the philosophy forum to discuss these types of issues :)
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    "We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart." -- H.L. Mencken
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveFoerster View Post
    "We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart." -- H.L. Mencken
    I really like that quote! There is a weird similar deference. The difference is that beauty and intelligence are at least somewhat ambiguous and relative terms. To say that, "I believe in a magical sky wizard and take as truth ancient myths" is less ambiguous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueMason View Post
    I go to the philosophy forum to discuss these types of issues :)
    Thanks for your categorization. Are you going to run down the posts of the Off-Topic section referring every brought up issue to its appropriate forum? Links would be helpful if you take up this job as air traffic controller.

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    In western, post-modern society, often the worst thing a person can be seen as being is not being wrong, but being intolerant. Especially when it comes to religion, if I disagree with someone else, or say that I think they are wrong, I will be labeled "intolerant," ie the worst possible insult. In this view saying someone else is wrong is intolerant. But this hyper politically correct mentality misunderstands the concept of tolerance. It's a good thing to be tolerant, but tolerance implies disagreement. "Notice that one can't tolerate someone unless he disagrees with him. We don't "tolerate" people who share our views. They're on our side. There's nothing to put up with. Tolerance is reserved for those we think are wrong." (Greg Koukl)

    That said, there's a difference between disagreeing amicably, and disagreeing while being a dick. Religion is not an emotionally neutral subject like discussing the weather. There are sometimes double-standards from both sides. Some theists will take personal offense at having their beliefs challenged, while some atheists will be offended if a person starts talking about religion to them. That said, could you imagine if a group of Christians made a movie like Bill Maher's "Religulous" which was mocking, say, Buddhists or Hindus? There would be outrage and condemnation from the media, whereas Maher's film was given a free pass. Anyways, I don't see anything wrong with amicable disagreement. I don't like being wrong, but if I am, I want to know about it.
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    We won't have to worry about this thread after May 21
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Anderson View Post
    We won't have to worry about this thread after May 21
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    *rolls eyes* Jesus said that HE didn't know when the "end of days" would come and said that we wouldn't be able to predict it, so I don't have much confidence in those guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thomas_jefferson View Post
    Thanks for your categorization. Are you going to run down the posts of the Off-Topic section referring every brought up issue to its appropriate forum? Links would be helpful if you take up this job as air traffic controller.
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    It was not my intention to "run down the posts of the Off-Topic section", I merely made a simple post directing you elsewhere. I have provided a link (something a quick google search, such as this one: Let me google that for you ) in this reply. I find the philosophy forum rather intriguing and a plethora of questions much like yours get asked and many a philosophical thinkers reply. I thought that perhaps you might be interested in posing a question there, though from your reply to my post that may not be the case - no need of derogatory comments which you felt the need to close your post with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thomas_jefferson View Post
    Should we be sensitive to the beliefs of others -- why?
    To smooth social relations and avoid making enemies unnecessarily. To keep those who disagree with us listening to us and not automatically opposing everything we say. To improve our chances of convincing them that they might actually want to start agreeing with us. Behaving in a friendly and sympathetic manner is just good rhetoric. It's usually counterproductive if we piss people off.

    Should we be sensitive to the beliefs of Scientologists, for example?
    You don't have to agree with them. But if you want to have any chance of cooperating with them or convincing them to agree to something, it's best not to be unnecessarily confrontational.

    If an adult was running around saying that Santa Claus was real, how should we react? To atheists, we live in a world with hundreds of millions of people who believe in a Santa Claus of some sort. It is painfully hard not to say "there's no such thing as Santa Claus", you goofball. Why shouldn't we say it? Why should we be sensitive to things that are clearly wrong?
    Isn't that the same argument that fundamentalist evangelists use when they get in our faces? When they obey their "great commission" to try to remove us from what they see as our our lives of sin and corruption, and direct us onto what they are convinced is the path to righteousness?

    Yes, I know that atheist militants are convinced that the difference is that atheists are right and the Christians aren't. Of course, the Christian militants don't exactly see things the same way.

    Isn't it hypocritical for us to do things to them that we would condemn if they were done to us?
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    Quote Originally Posted by emmzee View Post
    *rolls eyes* Jesus said that HE didn't know when the "end of days" would come and said that we wouldn't be able to predict it, so I don't have much confidence in those guys.
    Precisely emmzee.

    Per Christ:

    Mathew 24:36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only” (NKJV).

    Mark 13:32 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father” (NKJV).
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    You can say what you want, and believe what you want. Why do you care so much about others beliefs?

    I met some pretty smart liberals who could debate theology all day, usually with a snark and smarm straight out of the trash talking basketball paygrounds I grew up in. They loved to point out how stupid Christians are. Puting down a large portion of the population (here in the US) because you think you are the smartest person you know is your right, but don't get your panties in a wad when I call you an asshole. How come these same liberal people never turn there vitriol towards Islam?

    **Note I'm not calling TJ an asshole, although I most certainly would have no reservation about doing it, nor am I particularly religous**

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    Do you have any more input on this TJ?

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    Due to certain comments made in the other thread re Liberty U, TJ was banned by the admin, so unfortunately he probably won't have much more to say here O_o
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    t_j has been banned. He was asking for it, literally. Let no one think that the reason he is banned is due to his expression of opinion, or creation of this thread (his point of view is shared by many respected and well-liked members of this board). However, as it stands, he will no longer be able to contribute to the topic he created.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maniac Craniac View Post
    t_j has been banned. He was asking for it, literally. Let no one think that the reason he is banned is due to his expression of opinion, or creation of this thread (his point of view is shared by many respected and well-liked members of this board).
    Sorry, I didn't see it that way. TJ wasn't doing anything especially outrageous, yet he was threatened with being banned. His only crime was pointing out to that moderator how petty that was. The whole thing was a sort of Stanford prison experiment in miniature.

    As for the religious discussion, what all you who've only been here a year or two perhaps don't realize is that there used to be a lot more of that around here, before the Great Schism five years ago that led to most of the longtime DegreeInfo participants to go off and start another forum instead.

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