Any schools that are NOT liberal-left biased?

I am desperate.
As a white 30-year old male living in San Francisco, CA, perhaps the most corrupt, politically correct, Calcutta-like region in America, I am tired to see what the perverse, irrational mindset of radical/socialistic/destructive left-wing systematic intimidation has done to not only help eliminate the opportunites for traditional white Americans, but to use education as a conveyor belt towards anti-American socialism, and obviously in many school departments, to use education as a weapon against whites. (Don't believe it? Flock to your local Borders books store and see what types of literature is flooding the Society and Politics sections, supposedly from renowned academics of the most well known institutions).

I am scared to go back to college and attempt to finish up the last 1 1/2 years for my bachelors, feeling that I won't stand a chance against the thought-control, politically-correct, think-one-way radical professors of current academia.

I am becoming "ill" from seeing that our professors are training students to be rebellious not for the sake of improving America, but to weaken and potentially destroy her.

I believe that higher level education should be based on "the pursuit of knowledge" and improved thought processes, not "social restructuring" with particular and noticeably racial agendas.

Speaking in terms of *affordable* online education opportunites, does anyone know of any schools (perhaps one or two from the BEST 100 list?) that makes it a point to offer education not with the intent of "behavior modification and thought control for the purposes of social restructuring and egalitarianism," but the old fashioned way: the student is graded on how well his or her thoughts are formed and presented, ill-regard of what he thinks? A school that does not try to ride the Bill Clinton politically correct train to socialistic utopia? And also, any schools that are NOT anti-white?

I am almost exclusively interested in Humanities and Social sciences, along the lines of politics, sociology, journalism, psychology.

Thank you.

 

You didn't specifically state that you were interested in DL, but since you're on a DL forum, I'll make the assumption that DL is what you're after.

If you're looking for conservative, more right-wing focused education, I'd suggest Liberty University (associated with Jerry Falwell) or Regent University (associated with Pat Robertson). Both have good DL programs. Another choice might be Brigham Young University.

There are also some quality religious institutions, but you have to be very careful when shopping, as there are also a *lot* of religious degree mills.

Best of luck! Let us know what you decide...

 

As for DL I think you will find

Charter Oak State College http://www.cosc.edu/

Thomas Edison State College http://www.tesc.edu/

Excelsior College http://www.excelsior.edu/

May just fit what you are looking for. these schools will probably be the least painful schools to complete your degree.

Dan Snelson
COSC class of 2002 ish

 

Thanks for the starter recommendations.
Actually I did mention online education in my post, but did not say DL exclusively. But yes indeed, a totally DL school would be best for myself.

Furthermore, to be more precise, I am agnostic and would never seek out any religious influence on education, but instead to aim for the "influence-free" school. While that may not be possible, it would at least be desirable.
I would never want to attend any "right-wing" institution if it displayed the same militant-natured mentality in the same way most other schools are currently in the left field. (But then now adays, ANY right leaning is considered evil by the majority of public sentiment).

Thank you, and hope to hear more replies.

 

Perhaps living near SF leads a republican to a bunker mentality but the country seems more right than left. George Bush, a republican, is the leader of the country. Most corporations are Republican owned and controlled. I think you can find as many right leaning as left leaning Universities with a significant portion bias free. As for suggestions we could help you out more if you described what type of profession or degree you are looking for. Also what qualites are you looking for? The cheapest? The best at any cost? Do you want to study completely alone or would you enjoy group projects? Etc. Thanks.

P.S. While I consider myself a moderate, my liberal friends think of me as a conservative. In truth my positions vary depending on the specific issue with most being a blend on conservatie and liberal.

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Best Regards,
Dave Hayden

 

Wait a moment, honestly, let's not get off track.

I am heading off to work right now, so if this msg seems incomplete, please realize I'm pressed for time.

Chip, thank you for the two school rec's.

Dan Snelson, thank you also, however I would really appreciate it if you could put some kind of direct reasoning as to why those three schools may have good benefit for a person like myself who recognizes students are losing their true freedom of academic speech, ill-regard to what their opinion is; and more importantly realizing that many academics are using education as a vehicle of WHAT to think rather than HOW to think -- i.e. that one should think that which is politically correct rather than that which is scientifically verifiable.
(If you wish, you could send a direct email to: [email protected]).

Dave Hayden, thanks also for your response, however, I must say now that I didn't start this msg thread as a question to whether or not America is far left leaning. (On that note, there is no more such thing as a dominant right-wing. The left is now far-radical-left, and the "right" is actually in the center, often times betraying their own right agendas).
Also Dave, yes I am looking for schools of lower price tuition yet a good school, and my situation is that I am a person who sometimes needs to move from place to place, so a completely (or nearly completely) DL distance learning institution would be best.

Thanks again, Mike.
[email protected]

 

Hi Mike

Ok, so lets agree to disagree on the politcal issue since I do see it quite differently. I have to assume you are looking for a general purpose liberal arts degree since it doesn't seem directly related to a specific career field or interest. I think the advice to consider COSC, Excelsior and TESC is great advice. Credits could be totally from Clep, Dantes, and other tests which would limit although not eliminate bias. I think the idea that any classes are bias free may be mistaken since most that I have taken were very tied to the professor's personality and often views. I think this been true for decades and likely centuries. Hopefully you get additional responses that are more helpful. Good luck in your search.

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Best Regards,
Dave Hayden

 

Okay, Mike, let's see if I have this straight . . . Or as straight as possible when addressing someone who lives in San Francisco, doesn't want an ideology shoved down his throat (but is willing to shove his ideology down others' throats), and apparently prefers to affiliate with a school that is not overtly of the black-lesbian-mother-on-welfare persuasion.

If I seem flippant, my boy, I've earned that right as the only person ever to write here as an out-of-the-closet faggot (who, incidentally, doesn't give a rat's tucchus about being politically correct).

Having said that, you pompous, presumtuous putz (I love alliteration), what makes you think that any of the schools that have been mentioned here would discriminate you because you are "white male trash seeking same?"

FYI (as well as those who don't know me from years past), I majored in church-state issues in both of my graduate degrees, a very conservative field, and taught at schools that were so Fundie they made Falwell look liberal. And while those schools may have perceived me as being liberal, I assure you that the schools from which I earned my degrees perceived me as conservative. And it never caused a problem.

In other words, Mike, perhaps you've been reading a little too much Dinesh D'Souza. (Note for our illiterati: D'SOuza is teh author of Illiberal Education: The Politics of Race and Sex on Campus, which set academe in ballistic mode for blasting political correctness on college campuses. He also wrote The End of Racism, which did the same for affirmative action. What makes D'Souza so fascinating is that he is Indian, thus a minority himself. Combining that with his degree from Dartmouth, he is the darling of conservatives everywhere, both nuveau and old-line. Despite that, his books are actually quite brilliant, providing one does not distort his intent.)

In short, the radical lesbian feminists and minorities with whom I went to school sometimes perceived me as a right-wing Fundie. And, quite frankly, I didn't always correct them - I was having too much fun playing the game at the time, and wanted to see whether liberals were as tolerant as conservatives. (They are not.)

Having said that, however, I must paraphrase Lloyd Bentsen in saying, "I know conservatives. Conservatives are friends of mine. And you, sir, are no conservative." Indeed, I'm rather surprised that no one has called you on your racist monologue - in which you have every right to engage, but which should not go without appropriate response.

To keep the thread on point, however, I think you will find that no school (with the probable exception of Goddard, which has it in for everyone who is an independent thnker that doesn't fit their mold) will interfere with your progress because you are a constipated racist. They may not agree with your position, but you will not find yourself banished to the depths of liberal brimstone. Indeed, if you have the balls to post your inquiries here, surely you should have the balls to be challenged in an academic environment. If not, you're merely playing games.

Lest you be diverted as much as you have attempted to divert others, however, keep in mind that the earning of a degree is not about politics. It's about knowledge. It doesn't matter whether you are a member of the ACLU or the KKK, what matters is whether you have what it takes to earn a degree nontraditionally. And if you do, none of the schools recommend in this thread (and I concur with those recommendations) will give a hoot.

San Francisco as the "most corrupt, politically correct, Calcutta-like region in America . . . the perverse, irrational mindset of radical/socialistic/destructive left-wing systematic intimidation." Cut the rhetoric, sport - you obviously get your jollies by trying to inflame people. And that doesn't deserve a degree (regardless of what form the inflammation takes or which wing of the bird you wish to plan your ass on). Just show us that you have the potential to do a quality degree program, and we'll even help you out.

P.S. Watch your butt. I hear that Pat Robertson has personally arranged with God to have an earthquake in S.F. next week. But don't worry, it will only destroy the politically correct heathens.

 

WELCOME BACK STEVE! Good to have some piss'n'vinegar back in the discussion!

 

There seems to be a desire here to hark back to the founding principles of this country. A name that comes to mind is Adam Smith, who is credited with establishing the intellectual framework for the free market. Adam Smith University may well be the perfect match in this case.

 

What is the purpose of a professor. The professor must "profess" an opinion. The opinion should be based on the best "facts" available and organized using logical methods. The only goal in academia is to advance the best "truth" we can find. This seems to work fairly well in the "hard" sciences because the tools of measurement of the truth have general agreement. The so-called social sciences seem to produce more "political" debate. But in fact the sociometric tools are pretty well defined.
When I hear people decrying the educational system (or any system) as being overtly supporting a political position, I get scared. There are those that claim the holocost never happened. There are those that claim John Kennedy is still alive. The only approach a scholar can use, is the best evidence available and logical thought.
The bottom line is, you don't have to agree that Milton Friedman is right, to learn the evidence he uses to support his logical position. The same is true for John Kenneth Galbraith. You can understand his position without agreeing with it. You can't argue against either man's beliefs, unless you can understand them.
The most troubling part of this thread is the position that if you don't agree with the evidence and logical thought of a scholar, that it can simply be dismissed on political grounds. That attitude is unscientific, unacademic, and in my view unamerican.
There is a big difference between learning the important ideas of Marx, Adler, Illich, Piaget, and agreeing with them.
This strand seems to start with the opinion that the only ideas worth learning, are those you already agree with. That seems to fall outside a search for the truth. It falls outside the college system and outside logical discourse.
The dogma which placed the earth at the center of the universe took centuries to overcome. Was Galileo a left wing pinko? Was Kepler a politically correct hippie? Was Pasteur a bohemian? Yes, absolutely! New ideas are always looked at with suspicion, especially when the new idea fits the facts, better than the old thoughts.
To truely become a scholar you must love the search for meaning, which is a search for truth. A scholar is not frightened by ideas they disaagree with, but scared by a lack of new ideas.
No idea is so terrifying that it can't at least be talked about (paraphrased from the RI deligate to a famous meeting).

 

Simple these schools:

A. Don't seem to have much of an Ideology (I suspect most of what you are concerned with is found in traditional Schools.)

B. These schools will allow you to take regionally accredited classes most anywhere so you can choose. (Maybe one school has a department that will not work for you and others that will, so you can choose which one you want.)

C. They also allow you to do classes by portfolio assessment, they do not care how or where you learned, they just care that you did learn and can prove it.

Dan Snelson
97 transfer credits, 55 special assessment credits and 6 credits distance learning COSC class of 2002.

And congratulations, you have been flamed by Dr. Levicoff. Now think very carefully before you respond as you are swimming in his pond.

 

"Putz" is a nice Yiddish term but how is it really translated? Anybody?
Nosborne

 

Helelujah! It's about time someone called a spade a spade. Thank you, Levicoff. Indeed, true scholarship calls for willingness to consider the ideas of others -- even those with whom we disagree.

David

 

Steve writes
I hear that Pat Robertson has personally arranged with God to have an earthquake in S.F. next week. But don't worry, it will only destroy the politically correct heathens.

We San Francisco area liberals are not worried. The Robertsons of a century ago made dire threats if the city didn't shape up. Then when the Big One hit in 1906, every major church in the city was destroyed, and one of the largest buildings spared near the epicenter was a huge whiskey distillery. At the time, the popular verse was:

"If as they say, God spanked the town
For being over-frisky,
How come He burned the churches down
And spared Hotaling's Whiskey?"

Oh, and as for "putz," perhaps it is anyone who is a member of Team Putz (www.teamputz.com)

 

Steve, thanks for the jollies.

 

And not all SF Bay Area Schools are liberal as those based in the Peoples Republic of Bezerkly.

Just a little nothe is the rather conservative school of UC Davis. Where else can you do distance learning cetificate programs in:

Brewing
Professional Brewers
Business and Management
Business Administration
Construction Management
E-Business Strategy and Management
Human Resource Benefits Administration
Human Resource Management
Labor-Management Relations
Marketing
Personal Financial Planning
Project Management
Public Relations
Workers' Compensation
Education
Reading
Teaching English to Speakers of Other Languages (TESOL)
Teaching the Gifted and Talented
Fire Protection
Fire Protection
Food Science
Applied Sensory Evaluation for Distance Learners
Information Technology
Database Design, Development and Management
E-Business Strategy and Management
Information Systems Analysis
MCSE/Windows 2000 Core Exam Preparation
Network Administration and Management
Network Cabling
Network Server Administration
Object Oriented Programming and Analysis
Routing and Switching Technologies
Unix System Management
Web Database Application Development
Web Page Design
Web Site Design
Land Use and Natural Resources
Land Use and Environmental Planning
Transportation Management
Health and Safety
Health and Safety Trainer
Intensive Certificate Program in Health and Safety
Workplace Health and Safety

Yep, on-line learning for brewing beer , my kind of school. Though, my final exam in Finance at CSUH was a wine tasting (lectuere was VP of finance for then United Vinters).




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M. C. (Mike) Albrecht, PE

 

Despite the feeling that I am responding to a troll, I think that this subject is interesting.

I'm a white male, 53 years old, a registered Republican (of a libertarian sort), a native San Franciscan and current resident of San Mateo county. I graduated from San Francisco State.

I have noticed some of what has Mike Sims so agitated, but found it far less pervasive than he fears.

I think that there is a lot to C.P. Snow's "Two Cultures": the humanistic and the scientific. In the academic world, the left has strongly preferred the humanistic side, annexing the social sciences to their cause. That is associated with the social sciences' movement from their earlier pre-sixties quasi-scientific orientation into a more recent "hermeneutic" emphasis where they merge with literary-style cultural criticism.

From their redoubt in the humanities, the left have waged protracted but ineffective war on the sciences, with their critiques of science, instrumental reason and objectivity in general.

But ironically, most students have voted with their feet, opting for practical and less-politicized applied-science subjects. The lab sciences, math, engineering, some business fields, the ever-popular computers, agriculture, health professions and so on. This migration was probably more for occupational than political reasons, since job openings outside the university are in practical fields. Nevertheless, it has contributed to the growing alienation of the contemporary academic humanities.

So what's a conservative student in the humanities to do?

There are some programs that are best avoided. I am personally interested in the history of ideas. The 'History of Consciousness' Ph.D. program at UC Santa Cruz seems ideal until you look at it in detail. Turns out that it is a "cultural studies" program and 100% hard-left. Angela Davis is one of their star professors, and their classes all concern race/class/gender theory or trendy French theorists. BTW, black panther leader Huey Newton got a Ph.D. from them. Unfortunately, Dr. Newton was subsequently killed in a west Oakland drug deal gone bad.

I classify programs like this as being similar to many Bible college programs or to places like Bob Jones, Regent or Liberty. I'm not a Christian. I don't believe that the Bible is the revealed word of God, let alone that it is inerrant. I will not attend a university that requires its students or faculty to sign a statement of faith, or which boasts that all of its courses are taught from a Biblical perspective. Just as I will not enroll in a program that requires faculty and students to be of a particular political faith.

But things usually aren't that bad. I not only survived, but actually enjoyed, my time in the school of humanities at SF State. While some courses and even programs were politicized, I simply avoided them. Just as there were professors that I avoided. But that really wasn't necessary very often.

Choice of major and specialty can help you. You will find that the more contemporary and "relevant" the subject, the more dangerous it can be to heretics. You simply can't take a position on race, abortion or on the welfare system without simultaneously taking a political position.

Philosophy is an option. (It was my major.) 'Continental' philosophy is often politicized in a peculiar sort of way, but Anglo-American 'analytical' philosophy tends to maintain a greater degree of abstraction. Its problems are more technical. You can find many interesting areas in epistemology, the philosophy of language or mind, the logical foundations of the sciences and so on that are relatively free of political landmines.

History gets safer as you move into the past. Studying the American labor movement is dangerous, but studying Merovingian Gaul or early Islam is relatively safe. Literature is the same. Studying women writers "of color" is dangerous, but Shakespeare is safer. Classical archaeology is fine.

Sociology and political science will probably be a problem. They range from objective and even scientific approaches to self-avowed schools for activists. You will have to read the schoools' literature very carefully. What do they say that their orientation is? Read the listing of course descriptions. Do they seem overweighted in courses in French psychoanalytic feminism and 'political economy for sociologists' which turns out to be a graduate course in Marx's 'Capital'? How many course descriptions use words like "postmodern" or "late capitalism"? Look at the faculty in the department and see what you can learn about them. Do they have webpages? What have they published?

You can scope it out for yourself. The more politicized and committed left-wing programs are probably ones that a conservative shouldn't shortlist.

 

<<Unfortunately, Dr. Newton was subsequently killed in a west Oakland drug deal gone bad.>>

Just to be accurate, the good Dr. Newton (who wrote his dissertation on the Black Panther Party for Self Defence) wasn't killed in a drug deal gone bad. He was killed while he was LOOKING for a crack deal in West Oakland by a punk that wanted to make points with the Black Guerrilla Family (BGF...a Black prison gang) for the next time he went to the joint.
..Sic transit,Huey.

David... retired Bay Area police officer and happy far left graduate of UC Berkeley (Engineering and other things.)

 

I was glad to see that my original post received a decent number of replies.
Ok, let's see what kind of response I can get out in my limited time.

My-my, look at the general crowd of the "it's-really-not-all-that-bad" types. Not doubt such persons are well intentioned and well meaning, but almost a decade of Clinton-Gore intimidation, er I mean manipulative democracy, and we see how even those in education think the world is mostly "rosey."

The only impression I have of Levicoff is that, there will always be those who wish to smear their feces on the wall as a way of making themselves recognized. Someday he will realize that destructive-rebellion and rant-and-rave thrashing really gets very little else done, and like "the boy who cried wolf," people soon stop paying any more attention; that is except other "boys who cried wolf," of which there are alot of in American institutions, our academics systems already having suffered the successful hijack by them.

I enjoyed alot reading the depth and intensity which the user named "irat" posted, and he had me shaking my head like a devout zealot listening to the gospel for a few minutes. It was pretty, but there is an opinion in me which says his post was more of an idealism. His post is deserving of alot of thoughtful reciprocation, unfortunately I have been very busy recently.

One thing to say is that it seemed irat, as well as other users, missed my original point entirely. They said that studying at a school which professes a point which you already agree with is unacademic, but no one other than myself noted that that is exactly what our educational institutions are doing now -- propogating ONLY the liberal, anti-white-male, multiculturalist, feminist and minority-sensitive view. Any views which mention a restoration of traditional-Americanism are branded the modern day phrase of "racism." A social scientist which states that "no country in the history of the world has survived once the dominant ethnicity of that country became overtaken by or 'equalized' by foreign peoples" is seen as someone who needs to be placed in a mental institution. What is so scary is that the communist natured multiculturalism "let's-just-all-get-along" theory is MOST cancerous like in our highest schools -- Harvard, Stanford, Yale, etc.

The user named "defii" said: "Indeed, true scholarship calls for willingness to consider the ideas of other.." but is obviously unaware that currently our schools DO NOT take any well rounded look at evidence which states that America is faced with impossible challenges as more whites die out, as liberalism spreads it's cancer into the unavoidable full-blown Marxist socialism, and as foreign occupants explode in her territory.

Ok, there were several other people who were deserving of responses, so I will try to get back to that again soon. See you then, Mike.