I went from a MIET Member of Institution of Engineers and Technicians that joint and formed IIE so I became MIIE and also joined IEE later to become MIEE now MIEE and MIIE join to form MIET so I'm back to MIET. Any way as of 3/31/2006 the IEE and IIE UK form new Engineering Institution of Engineering and Technology. What are your thoughts? Learner MIET, MIEE, MIIE soon MIET
My Thoughts My thoughts are mixed. I believe the merger of the two societies can strengthen the recognition of the UK Engineer. My fear is that the Incorporated Engineer will be subject to a reduction in stature because it does not have an exclusive society representing the focus or practice of that classification. However, my fear may be unwarranted because it is an assumption that the UK may, or may not, implement the United State’s engineering model. It is my personal belief that the UK model appropriately recognizes Technology programs as “practical engineers” and not as a subjugated Technician. A four year technology program models an engineer closer than a technician but it is not completely either. It is a focus unto itself.
Thanks for your reply and sharing your thoughts. In my view BS degree is the level were the person is an Engineer or Technologist. Bellow this level is more toward Technicians and Advanced Master Technicians. So the Bachelors degree is the barrier once achieved and crossed and GCGI is on that level indicates the person is an Engineer Technologist. On The Masters level is more of a Professional Engineer , master Engineer or Technologist. On the doctoral level I view as Engineer Scientist or fellow Engineer Technologist.
Lerner, In the United States I find the term "Technologist" to be miss-understood. The Technologist is sometimes placed in the same category as technicians by Electrical Engineers from ABET/EAC accredited schools. To them you are still a Technician even if you get a Doctorate Degree in a Technology field. This condescending posture serves to elevate their stature through a false premise. A Technologist is not a Technician. It is a professional qualification.
Well stated. Professional and Vocational qualifications can be on many levels. RN for example, Registered Nurse is a qualification, I know RN that got the qualification / professional title license with Associate degree in nursing. I know RN with Bachelors degree in Nursing etc. then there is a Nurse Practitioner with higher qualification and degree. By the way do you know what is your level in national Qualification Framework UK. NQF was revised with additional levels added - 1 to 8 now. Level 4 and level 5 were extended. For example GCGI is first honors degree comparable in UK - in NQF it is level 6H - H - honors. LCGI - level 4 is now I think level 5 of NQF I - Intermediate - Foundation Degree - AS comparable. but actually LCGI and GCGI are more than just academic degrees equivalent qualifications they contain a Training and Professional Experience in addition to Academic Education. Confusing.
The title of Technologist is acknowledge in several USA documents. The U.S. Department of Labor publishes a book called The Occupational Outlook Handbook. The following is a quote from their book. "Many 4-year colleges offer bachelor’s degrees in engineering technology, but graduates of these programs often are hired to work as technologists or applied engineers, not technicians." This can be found at: http://stats.bls.gov/oco/ocos112.htm
Have you guys considered becoming a Certified Manufacturing Technologist? A BS in tech/eng suffices to sit for the exam. Not sure as to what extent this "title" is considered relevant or important in industry, but ....
Techniologists at times see their rols as mixed with Engineering Technicians. History American Society of Certified Engineering Technicians
ASCET I'm aware of the ASCET organization and I have found little or no benefit from joining. If you are able to join then you have already established credentials. The relationship established with the Canadian organization (CCTT) is non-reciprocating. ASCET acknowledges credentials from the CCTT, but CCTT does not recognize the ASCET memberships. ASCET would benefit from a relationship similar to that established by the reciprocation agreement between the NICET and CCTT. http://www.cctt.ca/english/services/inter.html
NICET My understanding is that the NICET Engineering Technologist certification is given to those who graduated from an ABET approved program. No test is given to the graduate from ABET organizations to achieve the title. The NICET program is not open to Applied Science majors. No avenue for testing has been established for Applied Science majors to enter into the NICET Engineering Technology program. The NICET program is a trumped up ABET club membership.
NICET Students from Applied Science programs must take the exam from the CCTT to achieve ABET equivalent acknowledgement. I assume that once you become acknowledge by the CCTT you can transfer the recognition into NICET.
Re: NICET Thanks for your comments. I think members of ASCET are talking about an extended opportunity to join Dublin accord. - no progress so far do. CCTT If I remember require Canadian Citizenship or residence. Is that correct? Also do they recognize UK EC qualifications as ABET equivalent, just wander. Thanks
Transfer of Credit Lerner, You are correct. The CCTT has a transfer agreement with the IIE/(EC UK). I'm unsure if it would be worth all of the paperwork and trouble to pay the fees of the CCTT. I was going to follow this path too but I chose just to have AACRAO do an evaluation of my EC UK credentials. The AACRAO evaluation appeared to be sufficient for some employers I interviewed with because of the respect given to UK credentials by themselves. However, I had to explain to the employers what AACRAO was because they were unfamiliar with the service. When you consider all of the paperwork and cost involved with the EC UK, CCTT, NICET transfer it is important to consider what you are going to do with it. The NICET certification is nice to have but few employers know what it represents or could care less what it is. The NICET endorsement is just a certification and to my knowledge is not considered a replacement for a degree or a license. If you are planning to pursue a Professional Engineering License in the USA I understand that the NICET certification maybe acknowledged by some states to allow you to sit for the EIT exam. However, I'm not sure which states allow this.
If you are looking to add an Engineer Certification to your resume it maybe more more advantageous to sit for an exam from a major society like JLV suggested. Consider the following societies: Society of Broadcast Engineers - Certified Broadcast Engineers American Society for Quality - Certified Quality Engineer Society of Manufacturing Engineers - Certified Manufacturing Engineer Check the DANTES certification website for the best programs.
Interesting Fact The United States issues over 65,000 foreign visas to scientists and engineers every year. http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/editorials/articles/2004/05/30/a_visa_shortage/ The United States is experiencing an engineering crisis and will continue to recruit engineers from abroad to fill this short-fall. http://www.cio.com/archive/031505/publisher.html?printversion=yes Consider progressing to the Charter Engineering level because it is recognized on the Washington Accord.
I'm Licensed member of NSPE because my Soviet diploma of specialist is also a professional qualification - License to practice the profession in Soviet Union. When I applied to NSPE they had an option for International members licensed in their country. There I'm Systems Technologist - With specialist degree equated to US Masters degree but this is not in Engineering. so I'm a Technologist. I value the info you provided. Thanks
