The world's first university

The world's first university

http://www.indiaoz.com.au/hinduism/articles/amazing_science_3.shtml

I knew that Al Azhar University Cairo, Egypt, is considered to be the oldest university in the world.
It was founded the same time as the city of Cairo, around 969 AD the first lecture was delivered in 975 AD.

Europe's oldest university was founded in 1088 in the northern Italian city of Bologna.(is this the reason for Bolonga convention?)

But India seems to have an oldest known university.
Among many fascinating things I would like to know about these university I also wander how quality control in these days was implemented.

Learner

 

Abbott and Costello had 'Who's on first' but the world comedy is 'Who was first.'

 

Well, up until recently in many countries ("recently" if one considers the historical context), quality control in education involved beating the crud out of students for such violations as having dirt under their fingernails. Maybe they were more enlightened than that.

Seriously, though -- Panini is now becoming more and more recognized as having been the first to use context-free grammar constructions to explain the rules of a human language (Sanskrit), thus trumping Chomsky by umpteen generations. I am glad to see he is mentioned in that article.

 

Whatever happened to "Have you no respect for this forum?"

Or do you really think that a discussion of Taxila relates to accreditation?


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Oh. Hi, Quinn. You got in while I was typing. Your sensible information on Panini may get YOU a "Have you no respect for this forum?" from another poster now. After all, you are not a troll any more than I am. I know your chevalier's code has no more patience with disinformation than my whatever-it-is code. Best wishes to you and yours at the holidays. Janko

 

Matthew 7: 6:

"Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you."

 

Christmas cheer?

 

700BC seems like an awfully early date for a university in India. (Or for Greeks studying there.)

I'm reasonably familiar with Nalanda and its cousins, but they flourished more than a thousand years later. The famous Chinese Buddhist pilgrim Hsuan-Tsang does report visiting Takshashila on his way to Nalanda, but that was in the 7'th century AD (the 600's).

It seems that this Takshashila claim is being made on several webpages, sometimes in almost exactly the same words, without sources being provided.

It sounds like the author is rolling together all of India's intellectual achievements without much regard to chronology or to context, and then trying to give everything as early a date as he can.

Undoubtedly Greeks, Arabs and Chinese did travel to India to study, but not to the same time, the same place or for the same reasons.

And even if such an institution did exist at that very early date, given the notorious lack of systematic historical record keeping in early India, suggestions that we have the details are probably fanciful.

Bottom line: I don't think that I believe it.

 

Learner, I don't feel comfortable with anyone who quotes the scriptures for their own purposes. Especially when their purpose has nothing to do with spirituality. Furthermore, to quote the scriptures to attack a man of god it’s almost unforgivable. Please, don't quote the scriptures lightly as it makes me very uncomfortable. By the way, if you are Jewish, how come you know so much of the New Testament?

Come on buddy. Although this thread is very interesting and informative, it is not relevant to this section of the forum. Am I happy that someone brought it up? Sure. Does it belong in another section of the forum? Uncle is 100% correct on his assessment.

 

He does?

 

UJ maybe correct that the tread is relevant to other site, but he went further to suggest that this is disrespectful tread.

I think the passage came to me immediately following his reaction.

The NT is very Jewish its mostly Jewish, the main characters in it are Jews.
the message is to the Jew and non Jew.

James continued to worship in the temple of Jerusalem after Yeshuah was glorified he continued practicing law/Torah in a new way that Yeshua teaches him for what James was murdered.

Paul/Saul came to worship and offer sacrifices in the temple after his "conversion" and when he was evangelising the world.

To me Christianity is one of the tribes of Israel - interestingly Josephus calls them tribe as well.

I think one of the darkest times of the so called leading denominations in Christianity was the time of the separation from Jewish roots and introduction of new form of idle worshiping in some denominations.
Many will call Lord lord but I will not know them.

Not for ever Judah and Israel will be rejected, times will come when the house of the Lord will be house of prayer for all the nations.

Were? in ZION


Learner

 

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The early levels of buildings in Takshashila have been traced to 800 BC.

 

I must say I am pleasantly surprised by the tone and reasoning behind your reply. Very interesting philosophy.

However, I see you are missing two points. First, UJ comments were not directed toward you or this thread directly. He was referring to someone else’s attitude when he posted in the wrong part of the forum at an earlier thread. Furthermore, I can not stress enough how uneasy it makes a lot of us when you quote the scriptures to attack a man of god. Especially when the discussion at hand has nothing to do with religion.

I can tell you are making an effort and I admire that. It takes a big man to rectify his ways. As I said earlier you will get no bad blood from me as long as everything continues in a civilized and intellectually honest fashion.

Godspeed!

 

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I am contacting the research centre to obtain the bibligraphic details for the claimed dates. This interests me for my brief write up on the history of universities, and I have not come across this info before.

Cheers,

George

 

I think my post has elements of hinduism in it, its also about enlightening spiritual as well as scientific knowledge, I have no intentions to bring Hinduism in to Christianity aldo i find lots of it in Judaism and christianity anyway but that's a separate topic.

honestly who is the man of God that you are mentioning and how do you know that, I'm not trying to sound like a smart a-- just I really think only God knows and his host who is really a man of god and also a real man of God may know another.

The ancient tales from India about flying to other stars and planets is so fascinating, I'm creationist but also open minded person, wile not wishing to be deceived by the enemy I do
think that there were other civilizations before our here on the planed and it is recorded in the bible only people have to understand the info.

My interest in India is also due to possible discovery of lost tribe of Asher in there, also the Rock with Aramaic writing thousands of years old.

I also think that the document found there about the holly Isa - Yeshua - Jesus are if real of interest to me.

But also the Indias - Aur Vedas - Or VaYeda - in Hebrew Light and Knowledge are full of ancient knowledge that survived.

Regards,

 

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George, if posible if you could share some info when you hear from them.

thanks

Learner

 

George,

Will this isnfo make in to your research papers or disertation?

By the way your article published by WES gets two tumbs up.

http://www.wes.org/ewenr/PF/05oct/pffeature.htm

How are credentials from Former Soviet and now new Russian schools accepted in your country?

Regards,

learner

 

Yes, if it can be substantiated.

Thanks.

From my understanding, quite highly regarded. These countries are now seen as new target markets for Australian higher education, so we will be seeing more and more of them.

Cheers,

George

 

George, please share the results of your findings ASAP. Inquiring minds want to know.

The moment a person becomes ordained as a minister, priest, pastor, nun, reverend, rabbi, etc. they become an instrument of god. That is the way I see it, and judging from the PM I been receiving lately, a lot of others see it the same way. I am a Catholic, Janko is Lutheran, and you are Jewish. But like you I feel that we all worship the same Supreme Being. However, only Uncle J has dedicated his life to his church and his parishioners. No matter how you slice it or dice it, he deserves the same respect anyone else in that position should be granted. Does that means that he is off limits? No. It only means that when it comes to the scriptures everyone should be very careful when quoting from them to attack him or any other instrument of god when dealing with non-religious arguments.

Interesting, maybe you should open a new thread so this can be discussed in deeper detail.

Take Care!

 

Mr. George Brown,

Have you been able to confirm the veracity of the claims made in this thread? I am really interested in knowing.

Thanks!