AACRAO is Stumped With My Review.

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  1. Laser200

    Laser200 Guest

    I'm having AACRAO review my credentials and they appear to be stumped.

    They cannot get by the fact that my City & Guilds Graduate Diploma did not require an exam to achieve.

    I obtained my City & Guilds Diploma by becoming a Professional Incorporated Engineer in the UK.

    I'm very curious on what they will conclude from my review.
     
  2. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    interesting, expansive do.
    Please let us know the outcome.

    By the way did you have any other evaluations by NACES member services?

    Also I would get the University of Miami evaluation.


    Learner
     
  3. Laser200

    Laser200 Guest

    This evaluation is my first.

    AACRAO has gone well over their 20 day promise. I have E-mailed twice and called on the phone once. I consider their customer service as very poor because they still have not given me a reason for the delay.
     
  4. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

    What do you think would be reasonable?

    One problem may be that the UK "Professional Incorporated Engineer" title has no exact US equivalent. The closest thing might be the NICET Certified Engineering Technologist title (although NICET is a private organization, not a government agency). The CET requirements include an ABET/TAC accredited BS degree, and five years work experience. So you might be able to make a case that your credentials are equivalent to an ABET/TAC BS degree in engineering technology.

    You might consider an evaluation by ABET's ECEI service (www.ecei.org), which specializes in foreign engineering-related degrees.
     
  5. Laser200

    Laser200 Guest

    ECEI

    The ECEI evaluation is based on coursework review.

    I have no coursework in the UK because I transferred my credits from the United States.

    So, I guess my United States coursework will be in review.

    However, the big problem is the ECEI requires a syllabus from each course.

    Ivy Tech State College no longer has the syllabus material for many of the courses I took because the courses were completed back in 1988.
     
  6. DesElms

    DesElms New Member

    Re: ECEI

    I keep professing that the only way to do an education is to keep the textbooks, and put everything from the course -- every last scrap of paper -- into a file folder and into an old file cabinet in the basement. Buy a cheap, four-drawer model at Wal*Mart, and allocate one drawer per year for a bachelors; and a two drawer model for each masters degree. Another four-drawer model may be required for a doctorate. The really crappy Wal*Mart ones are cheap... well worth it.

    I have, to this day, every last molecule of whatever associated with every course I've ever taken... and every last text book.

    Try to go around the institution and find the prof, wherever s/he is today. You might be surprised to find that s/he still has it, or would be willing to create one... perhaps for a small fee or a case of beer or something. Where there's a will, there's a way.
     
  7. Laser200

    Laser200 Guest

    AACRAO is still stumped!

    After calling them again on the phone they finally indicated that I will receive my credential review by the end of the month.

    This is well beyond their advertised 20 day review promise.

    If they deliver my documents as promised then my actual review will be around 44 days.
     
  8. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    cheap file cabinets

    Gregg: You didn't used to be WELS archivist before Sparky Brenner took over, didja?


    OK. Back to topic.
     
  9. Laser100

    Laser100 New Member

    I'm still without an answer!

    Today is January 6th, 2006. I still have not received an answer from AACRAO on my credential evaluation. It is 6 days beyond their promised date of delivery.

    I have sent two E-mails yesterday to the administrator and another to the general website address.

    They have not responded. I must really have them stumped.
     
  10. Laser100

    Laser100 New Member

  11. MichaelR

    MichaelR Member

    Re: NCEES Foreign Credit Evaluation

    I saw like 4 companies they don't list all of them. Each state typically has their own list of credential evaluators that they accept evaluations from. I always feel its best to go directly to the state you are interested in working in to find out who they except evaluations from.
     
  12. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Laser,

    I know an Israeli who had to get NARIC UK evaluation for his C&GI Award.

    They started working on it in mid September and now its in a stage when they are waiting for communication from Israeli Embassy.

    Their 2 to 3 week - usual evaluation time is also long overdue.
    Its more like 110 days or so now and no evaluation.

    Please let us know once you get the expected credential evaluation.

    Regards,

    Learner
     
  13. Re: Re: ECEI

    My Lord man! Are you serious???? That sounds like WAyyyy too much organization for me!

    I'm assuming that having degrees from regionally accredited institutions with permanent transcripting services is probably adequate in my case.

    Although I do still have all the textbooks....
     
  14. Laser100

    Laser100 New Member

    AACRAO- Evaluation of International Educational Credentials

    Today, I received my international credit evaluation from AACRAO.
    The following summarizes their conclusions:

    This evaluation is for: Further Education, Employment, and Professional
    Licensure.


    "The applicant received membership in the Institution of Incorporated Engineers in 2004, and received the title of Incorporated Engineer. Education, training, and experience are required in order to obtain membership as an Incorporated Engineer.

    Registration as an Incorporated Engineer is a professional qualification, and is comparable to that of a person licensed to practice engineering in the United States."

    "The applicant also submitted a Graduateship from the City & Guilds of London Institute. The City & Guilds of London Institute is an independent body incorporated by royal charter in the United Kingdom.

    It offers a wide range of technical examinations, which, in the United Kingdom, are equated to academic qualifications. The Graduateship award is equated to the National Vocational Qualification Level 5.

    For employment purposes in the United Kingdom , the Graduateship is considered comparable to a bachelor's degree from British universities.

    Acceptance of this qualification as comparable to a US bachelor's
    degree would depend on institutional policies of US institutions
    regarding recognition of work experience and experiental learning."

    "Recommended level of study in the U.S.- Master's as exception to standards."
     
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  15. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Very interesting evaluation.



    In general the highlight is this
    Can someone explain the following?
    Thanks for sharing this with us.

    learner
     
  16. JamesK

    JamesK New Member

    Re: AACRAO- Evaluation of International Educational Credentials

    Very interesting indeed.


    The next question is how does someone get a licence to practice engineering in the United States and how does it differ from being a Professional Engineer?

    Another question might be: If being licenced to practice engineering is the same as being a Professional Engineer and if the Incorporated Engineer is equivalent to being licenced to practice engineering, where does that leave the professional qualification Chartered Engineer?
     
  17. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Brits raised the bar long time ego.

    Chartered Engineer requires MsEE wile PE requires BSEE + exams and relevant experience.

    IEng is recognized by Sidney accord and its more for engineering technologists.

    UCEC

    http://www.engc.org.uk/International/International_Agreements/Sydney_Accord.aspx

    The ECUK's fellow signatories are:

    The Canadian Council of Technicians and Technologists (CCTT)
    The Engineering Council of South Africa (ECSA)
    The Hong Kong Institution of Engineers (HKIE)
    The Institution of Engineers, Australia (IEAust)
    The Institution of Engineers of Ireland (IEI)
    The Institution of Professional Engineers, New Zealand (IPENZ)
     
  18. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

    Re: Re: AACRAO- Evaluation of International Educational Credentials

    According to Laser100, his AACRAO review stated that:
    This appears to equate the IEng (UK) with the PE (US), which does not seem accurate. As suggested previously in this thread, there is no exact US equivalent to the IEng. The closest thing is probably NICET's Certified Engineering Technologist title, but this is a certification by a private association, not a government-sanctioned license.

    The UK "Chartered Engineer" (CEng) is generally considered equivalent to the US "Professional Engineer". For example, there is a multinational agreement on professional engineering qualifications, the Engineers Mobility Forum, which has established an "International Professional Engineer's Register". Those holding either a UK CEng or a US PE title are eligible for Registered International Professional Engineer status. The UK IEng doesn't qualify.

    I would suggest that the UK IEng could be considered comparable to a US BS degree in "engineering technology", plus some work experience. Or the non-academic NICET CET certification, as suggested above.
     
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  19. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

    This is inaccurate. You can search for CEng-approved UK degrees here. If you do so, you will find that 3-year BEng (Hons) degrees routinely qualify for the CEng. In practice, both PEs and CEngs commonly do hold MS degrees, but this is optional; the BS degree is the usual minimum.

    It's true that in some US states, it is technically possible to qualify for PE status without a BS degree, but this is rare in practice.

    Some US engineering associations are pushing to make the MS degree as the minimum qualification for the PE, but I don't think any state board has actually adopted this policy.
     
  20. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I still cat understand the :
    What are they saying here?

    Learner
     

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