To Sitting Bull & Crazy Horse

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Discussions' started by Ted Heiks, Jun 26, 2005.

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  1. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    June 25, 2005 was the 129th anniversary of Little Bighorn.
     
  2. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

    Yeah, Custer was really up a Creek. But that's nothing to Crow about so Sioux me if I don't celebrate.
     
  3. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    There's been some interesting stuff coming out about this battle in the last few years. Apparently, not only was Custer outnumbered, he was also badly out gunned! The Indians had some sort of repeating carbine (does Spencer sound right, you gun nuts?)

    Ultimately, though, General Sherman was correct when he said that the U.S. Army killed far too few Indians to even begin to conquer the West. Most of the work was done by smallpox not bullets.

    In the Pacific Northwest, there are the usual, and chilling, descriptions of "bodies stacked like cordwood". The Jesuits expressed horror and sadness but the Protestant missionaries ascribed the pandemic to God clearing the land for white Christian settlers...

    I don't suppose it really matters much. Dead is dead.
     
  4. DesElms

    DesElms New Member

    Native Americans were gunned-down like animals by whites during the Gold Rush period in California. Disease (other than whatever nutty ideas in the heads of whites lead them to believe it was okay) certainly had nothing to do with that.
     
  5. Deb

    Deb New Member

    For the Plains tribes the slaughter of the buffalo, encouraged by the government had a big factor in the tribes eventual defeat. Starvation is always a good way to win a war.

    For the eastern tribes (my folks) there was also that whole Trail of Tears thing. That was years after most of the tribes had adapted to the diseases.

    Deb
     
  6. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Quite correct on both points but even the Long March (the Navajo equivalent of the Trail of Tears; thank you President Jackson may you rot in Hell) did not kill the literal millions necessary to...well!...clear the continent for white settlement.
     
  7. Deb

    Deb New Member

    Should have been a little clearer. What I meant was that by the time "official" policy was to clear the Indians, there weren't that many left to clear, so the policies worked even better. Disease started the job, government policy (in all kind of ways) tried to finish it.
     
  8. Wild Bill

    Wild Bill New Member

    When I was in school, "Manifest Destiny" sounded like such a patriotic and Heavenly-inspired idea ... When you consider the "negative externalities" that resulted, it should cause thinking people to consider the current plight of our Native American brethren in a different context.
     
  9. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Your last name isn't Hickok, now is it?
     

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