Degreeinformation DL: new forum

Degreeinformation DL is a new forum whose members began arriving August 24. There are a number of familiar names in the (so far short) list of members: Dennis Ruhl, Neil Hayes, "Dr. Marianus," "Redlyne Racer."

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So, for the new members, should you wish to "earn" a degree from a degree mill, that will soon be the best source of information .




Of course, should you wish to earn something legitimate, the best information is still here.





Tom Nixon

 

I went to the very first thread, and it is a discussion about this forum..... seems to be mimicking online college hints. I hope the postings about here is the exception, and not the rule, as it would be good for DL to get more forums out there for DL seekers.

We should all have a voice!

 

Just like the other fora, it is a closed circle of a few people confirming each others' misinformation and degree mill agendas. It will have no impact because none of them have anything to do with legitimate higher education, DL or otherwise. Angry and ignored, as usual.

(I see my dissertation got an early thread. Criticism from a bunch of bitter degree mill shills, none of them actually holding a real doctorate. Funny.)

 

Dr. Marianus left a very congenial comment on that board, mentioning that he didn't want to wrangle with me. I thought that was nice, so I created a login (with my real name, of course) and posted a thank-you. I was curious to see what the result would be.

I see, a few hours later, that the post was deleted and my account was de-activated.

This sort of pre-emptive censorship was a complaint often heard on other fora regarding DI. It is disappointing to see it is a core practice on this new one.

 

It's just the same old: we're all badl and they're all hurt and misunderstood. Same old ra or no way false characterization. Same old Douglas diss obsession. Why do the posters who post in both fora do so, especially when they go there to complain about here, and then come back here and expect cordiality. (Never the other way round. Ever.)

 

because they don't understand

Ah, clearly a rhetorical question. One does the right thing because that's what an ethical person does, not because of an expectation of quid pro quo from the people who don't get it.

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I'm pleased that they run a tight ship over there and don't allow public thank you's. That was a good one Rich! Thanks for the belly laugh.

 

That "Forum", I use the term loosely, is nearly dead. Only a few posts a day, sometimes none, and they just repeat the same old mistaken theories and faulty logic. Of course we now have a couple of the Collegehints refuges here under the Bubba and Biker pseudonyms. What I find funniest is, left to their own devices, their "forum" is much more slanted and inaccurate than any of their mistaken beliefs about this Board. Ah well, it does make for a few chuckles.

 

As one who periodically posts there, I find this sad! I hope they will reinstate you otherwise they become what they abhor.

 

What the heck?

What is wrong with having another forum around?

I thought collegehints was pretty fair even though I caught some crap there for telling the truth about a certain "university". I do not understand why people can't just let stuff go on both sides. Why all the us against them? Why is it that most new people here that may not agree with elders of this forum are considered shills and part of the "other crowd"?

I was invited there, and I have and will post there as long as it does not turn into a online-college. However, I try to make it clear here and there that I don't think it is right to continue in the personal attacks and constant war. I have been involved in the battles in the past, but damn it just gets old. I think both sides are just as guilty as the other.

Rich, I respect you and I think the constant attacks on you are WAY over the top, but I also think you bring a lot of this on yourself. Sometimes when things are mentioned in a thread that may not even be about you, you take them the wrong way and get very defensive. Everyone that does not agree with you is not a shill, and here to attack you. Just by bringing stuff like this thread back up, or by bringing up the attacks just fuels this stuff. I would be pissed if it was happening to me too, but this just keeps fueling the fire.

To Rich's attackers, let it go. For goodness sakes everyone has heard it over and over, and it is old! Nothing Rich has done should warrant these continuous attacks. As far as I know Rich has not gotten anyone fired, or made someone lose a money, or caused harm to someones family.

I realize this is going to piss some people off at both forums, but I had to get this off my chest. I am tired of checking in and reading these different forums and watching all of the us against them on both sides. Everybody should be able to make his or her points about these different educational options without the objective to humiliate each other.


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plscott brings up some good points. I have been quite sensitive to some of the things said. But I've also taken more than anyone deserves, much of it unwarranted. Still, Bear's approach shows us that one can navigate that mine field without too much damage, but even he gets shabby treatment. (And he was getting just that on their board until he posted. I wondered if I would get the same courtesy, but no.)

I think a careful review of the things I've posted would reveal a strong proclivity for fighting back. I don't initiate attacks against anyone (and I don't invade others' privacy). But I do fight back, sometimes to my own detriment. But I'm working on that.

 

With the Internet being a free to air mechanism, I choose to post where I wish, what I wish and when I wish. We can all learn from each other, no matter what background or credentials we hold. If I take one good thought or topic to ponder at the end of the day from any of these forums, its been worth it.

Cheers,

George

 

I see no problem with anyone choosing to associate with such ilk and electing to provide content for their forum (without which it would die a quick and ignoble death), as long, of course, as they are able to truthfully claim that they are completely ignorant of, or unable to remember, the constant barrage of vile and despicable acts and posts (some crossing the line of criminality) that that for years has been the hallmark of this cabal.

 

So we bury the hatchet as long as it is not in each other's heads?

OK by me, or didn't you include me?

 

Peter, I can't imagine why I would initiate any sort of attack on you. I haven't yet. (But I have strenuously objected to some of your actions directed right at me.) Perhaps you feel the same from your perspective. Fine. Let's both be cautious and respectful. But it appears such mutual respect will have to occur here.

 

That (feeding information) seems to be what John is doing, despite some already-ugly things said about him before he joined the forum. I had intended to follow suit--lob the occasional fact (uncomfortable as facts sometimes are to some people), but no.

 

Do you honestly think Dr. Bear is changing anyone’s mind concerning his personal character and work? I don't think so. Do you honestly think that, all of a sudden, the newfound bobblehead acquiescence to civility is genuine? Haven’t they always expressed a respect for all points of view while simultaneously viciously attacking and censoring any dissent?

I doubt, however, that as long as he is an active member of the forum, they will, as they have habitually done in the past, incessantly ask the same obnoxious questions and lob the same ad hominem attacks and libelous smears against Dr. Bear, as their modus operandi is to operate in a much more surreptitious and cowardly manner. Remember, these are the same individuals that for years have proclaimed that Dr. Bear is a liar, a cheat, and a scam artist.

My concern is that Dr. Bear (and others) are lending badly needed legitimacy to a forum composed primarily of group of individuals notorious for their advocacy of degree mills as well as behaviors (against those that disagree with them) that not only border on the pathological, but cross the line of criminality.

Think about it, Rich. As most of the core group of individuals on that forum either own, have degrees from, or are in some way associated with degree mills, facts can be financially detrimental. As such, any real information or opinions that contradict or refute what these individuals espouse are considered personal attacks, as this provides them with a (false) justification for engaging in genuine personal attacks (under the guise of reciprocating in kind).

If you choose to engage and contradict these individuals, you do so at your own peril. Sooner or later, the feelings of frustration and exasperation generated by the inability to refute sound arguments will, once again, provide them with what they consider ample justification to engage in personal attacks, unethical behavior, conspiratorial vendettas, invasion of privacy, and even criminal activity.

In retrospect, perhaps I should not have worded my post so wryly.

 

I agree with Gus. I fully expect(ed) their bullies to lose it at some point. I guess I was interested in seeing how long they could hold off. (Of course, they began their bad behavior long before I arrived.)

John's has always expressed more patience with these folks, which has allowed him to engage them in ways that causes them to trust him--and to reveal more to him. They can say awful lies about him and he'll post something else anyway. I tend to be repulsed by that behavior, which makes me more confrontational towards miscreants. I admire John's approach, but I don't find it fits me very well.

 

Perhaps this speaks to Dr. Bear's level of self-confidence, self-esteem, and self-assurance.