Filipino's Sacraficed in Saudi? Iran vs. Saudi? Jerusalem gets Nuked?

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  1. Orson

    Orson New Member

    I'm writing as an interview program with Victor Mordecai on Michael Medved's radio show concludes (www.vicmord.com). Mordecai is the author of "Is Fanatic Islam a World Wide Threat" (1997) and "Islamic Threat Update" (2003).

    Either this is alarming and bizzare (and thus rediculous), or else realistic and enlightening - and that's why I share it with you.

    Apparently, this Israeli is married to an Egyptian born Jew, whose first language is Arabic. Through this window on the Middle East, he assures us, Muslim sermons and radio shows back up the following assertions.

    Mordicai forsees that Saudi Arabia will break up over Sunni-Shi'ite divide. Goaded by radical Al Qaeda, the 8 million guest workers will soon be vulnerable; especially vulnerable are the 2 million mostly Catholic Filipino workers there. They may be the next targets of kidnapping and beheading. To Al Qaeda, their presence is a mark of the corruption and impurity of the House of Saud - and thus they must be exorcised.

    Saudi is divided between ruling Sunni - especially the ruling Monarchy - and long supressed Shi'ites. This divide will lead to the House of Saud's overthrow.

    Cheerleading this result is Shi'ite ruled Iran; they have already infiltrated some 30,000 revolutionaries into Falugia, Iraq, and elsewhere as "pilgrims." Sunni's from Syria have also converged on Iraq to foment disorder.

    The penultimate prize is Shi'ite rule consolidated from Iran, Saudi, and Iraq. The wildcard - says Mordecai - is that the Saudi's may have Beradi (the father of the Islamic Bomb from Pakistan) authored nukes! The West, of course, cannot stand this much oil-resorce instability - thus, intervention and occupation of Saudi will ensue.

    But the most perverse goal of Shi'ite ruled, nuclear obsessed Iran is this: Alah Akbar" also means "ours is the greater God" - greater than the God of Abraham (Jews and Chrisitians). The ultimate goal of the Islamic Revolutionary Republic of Iran is the nuking of Jerusalem! Why? To prove that Alah is the greater God.

    From Mordecai's web site: "The Islamic Jesus returns a second time as a Muslim. Yasser Arafat has been quoted as saying, 'Jesus was the first Palestinian Moslem revolutionary.' Accordingly, Jesus kills the anti-Christ with a spear in a battle outside of the city of Lod. He proceeds to Jerusalem, where he participates in the morning Islamic worship on the Temple Mount with 400,000 Moslems. After this, he comes down from the Temple Mount, breaks all the crosses, destroys the churches of the Christians and the synagogues of the Jews. And on that day, all the Jews and Christians, the People of the Book, who have not converted to Islam, embraced Allah as God, and Mohammed as the greatest of all the prophets, will be put to the sword by Jesus the Moslem."

    Wow. This may be a Hellish eschatology made on earth. If true, Bush's war in Iraq isn't even the overture - it's just an interlude.

    --Orson
     
  2. TG-F

    TG-F New Member

    Those kids are not after a "Pandaka pygmaea"; they are rather after the "Great White Sharks".

    So, Filipinos has less to worry about those predictions.

    BTW, “Pandaka pygmaea” is the scientific name of the smallest fish found only in the Philippines.

    Just my 2 cents too...
     
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  3. roysavia

    roysavia New Member

    Like all stories and predictions, there may be some truth to this. However, I cannot see Jerusalem getting nuked. If the Israelis new that a nuclear strike was imminent, they would probably strike first. After all, they are a nuclear power in the middle east and a real threat to all Islamic nations.
     
  4. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    Whoever is putting that out doesn't seem to know very much about Islam.

    Muslims believe that they worship the same God that Jews and Christians worship. There is no question of it being a different or a better God.

    Muslims believe that they follow the original monotheism that God delivered to man at the beginning. They believe that mankind repeatedly has screwed up that pure religion, distorting it in various ways. And Muslims believe that God has sent a succession of prophets to guide man back to the true faith.

    Muslims accept that Jesus was one of those God-sent prophets, but they insist that Christians distorted his message almost immediately, by confusing Jesus with God and by introducing trinitarian polytheism.

    So God, ever benevolent, sent the last and greatest of the prophets, Mohammed, to set things right once again and for all time.

    I find it kind of incredible that any devout Muslim would dream of nuking Jerusalem. Jerusalem is considered one of the holy cities of Islam.
     
  5. TG-F

    TG-F New Member

    Re: Re: Filipino's Sacraficed in Saudi? Iran vs. Saudi? Jerusalem gets Nuked?

    I completely agree with you... and, in my opinion, that's what every educated human being should believe and propagate rather than hatred and differences.
     
  6. Orson

    Orson New Member

    Re: Re: Filipino's Sacraficed in Saudi? Iran vs. Saudi? Jerusalem gets Nuked?

    Bill-

    I'd like to agree that it is all so simple, settled, and clear.

    But it is also true that in Islam one has a direct relationship with God. This puts the individual in direct responsiblity for not only actions but belief as well. In addition to the Sunni-Shi'ite split that arose early in its history (the issue being Holy succession), there are five (more lesser) schools of Muslim legal interpretation. Among those in Arab Islam (and elsewhere), illiteracy is rampant - and as the Saudi TV except I've posted elsewhere - mass media is booming as the population of youth - ie, those most suceptable to economy of ideologies like Islamism - also explodes.


    So-if it were so simple, these people might well adhere to the settled precepts you've detailed. But I fear that's unlikely since the sociological sources for disturbance and dissent, not to mention the theological ones, are so many.

    Thus, danger grows.

    --Orson
    PS What is (or are) the source(s) for the doctrine Islamic second-coming? You don't address this possibility...(obviously I raised many...)

     
  7. Bill Grover

    Bill Grover New Member

    Many Christians, and I suppose Jews, will not agree that Islam worships the same deity as do the other two religions. There are significant difference between these. Yet I don't see these differences as grounds for war. IMO when adherants to either religion want war over theological differences that is wrong. According to the Gospels a sword could not be used even to prevent the death of Jesus. I don't see the New Testament advocating force to proselytise.

    Many do think ,IMO wrongly, that the immediate authoritative followers of Jesus, ie the apostles and other New Testament writers, changed Jesus from prophet to God. But as the writings of these are the most reliable source of information about what Jesus Himself taught, and as these writings have Jesus Himself accepting or claiming the worship , rights, attributes, and names of deity, the obligation of any who claim that the monotheistic followers of Jesus drasticically changed His message into a form of "polytheism" is to supply two evidences for that claim: (1) evidence that were Jesus God in the classic Christian sense the effect is polytheism,(2) That Jesus Himself denied His divinity. To do so , IMO, requires both a good grasp of the New Testament and a solid understanding of Christian theism.
     
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  8. Rich Hartel

    Rich Hartel New Member


    To Bill Grover,

    As always, your right.

    The New Testament, clearly in my opinion also, shows that Jesus accepted all the attributes, rights, claims, names and titles of diety.
    The Muslims have denied these things concerning Jesus, in order to validate thier own beliefs.

    Mohammed never cliamed any sort of title or name, etc. to diety, but Christ did.

    But, I what I find interesting is that the Koran makes more reference to Jesus Christ, either directly or indirectly, than it does to Mohammed or their god, Allah!

    The two are completely different!

    One has to be right, and the other has to be wrong. There is no middle ground! But, no one should be killed over it either!

    Rich Hartel
     
  9. Bill Grover

    Bill Grover New Member

     
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