To the Moderator

Hello friends, sorry about my English.

Moderator,we have in the USA the “freedom of speech” (Amendment I US Constitution).

I want to know moderator, if you remove the account of the citizens that be in opposition to the majority, and with the “Experts” that are involve with Six Legal unaccredited institutions of higher education??

 

Police, no one is stopping you from creating your own message board or your own website and saying whatever the hell you want. That doesn't mean you can say whatever the hell you want on private message boards that you do not own nor pay for.
Nor do the owners of such message boards owe you any platform from which to exercise your speech.

 

I am wondering who you are reffering too? I know John Bear and Rich Douglas were (past tense) involved with some programs like you describe, but have since admitted several times that they may have made a mistake. If this is the case what is your point, almost everyone makes mistakes. I know I make mistakes, and will admit to them.

Since then, if these are who you mean, they have gone on to do a lot to point out the flaws inthe US accreditation system, and have helped thousands make educational decisons that will do what they need.

 

Hello friends, sorry about my English.

So Bob and Mike, I have to follow the “Mass of experts”, because if not, I can be prohibited to post here?

 

I don't know about "Mass of Experts" here. There are a quite vocal 6 or 7 that have views that tend to dominate the feel of this board to a new comer. My only complaint about the moderation here is that personal attacks are not nipped in the bud on the first post or clearly self serving posts are allowed to exist that have nothing to do with the purpose of this website. Other than that I find the moderators here too liberal with free speech if anything and hence things go too far too often.

 

I will quote to you what I said in another thread recently:

You stated posting about a year and a half ago, seeking information in making a decsion on some DL programs. You did not like the answer you were given as it did not validate the actually decision you had already made. So, no one here forced you into the choice you made, you made it yourself. Now you seem intent on tearing down any one who does not agree that you made a good choice. Tough, you asked for advice, it was given. You made a choice, life goes on. Either accept your decision or do something about it.

I do not believe that unaccredited degree (with a few very specific acceptions) is worht the paper it was printed on. I will not change my mind. A person on another fora, got a docotral degree in ahlf an hour for answering an online quiz. This is a legal degree (supposedly). Is it worth anything? I don't think so.

As Dr. Phil would say, "quit whinning"!

 

Hello friends, sorry about my English.

Ohhhh, my friend Mike no problem I respect your opinion, but is post in the incorrect threat.

My friend, I want to know if a dissident of the “Mass of Experts” can post in this forum?

Is true that some dissident’s cannot post in this forum?

 

Hi Police: Sorry about my French.
Merde!

I guess if you post under screen names designed to associate you untruthfully with other posters, or use multiple aliases, or operate out of porn sites, maybe (but I dunno for sure) the moderators might take it under advisement. If you go to one of the millist forums, having tried to pull such a stunt and then complain about being banned here because your first act out of the box was to violate the TOS, tough darts.

And if you, o wearisome yet unwearying acolyte of Pacific Western, can't cope with folks disagreeing with you, and so resort to interminable repetition and whining about the quality of your own English, don't resort to silly fantasies about suppression of ideas. After all, you don't agree with the imaginary Directoire here, and nobody stops you from posting.

Oh, yeah, I almost forgot. None of our other non-Anglophone posters constantly issues a disclaimer about his English. Your posts are always intelligible, if not always intelligent. Either drop the dead donkey about your English or go take a course to improve it. I hear there is this thing called distance learning that makes lots of different courses available...

 

Our editorial position has always been pretty clear.

DegreeInfo is fine with open discussion about distance learning. As such, we welcome dissenting viewpoints, as long as they're stated respectfully and the focus of the post/argument is the content being discussed, not personal attacks/comments/insults about the poster.

At the same time, we're also about honesty and integrity with posting, and hopefully a reasonably decent signal-to-noise ratio, so the following are unwelcome:

-- people that are shilling for a given unwonderful school (or, for that matter, an accredited school)

-- people who attempt to reinforce their point by creating false aliases to agree with themselves (a Monticello University/Les Snell specialty)

-- people who, in the opinion of the moderators, are trolling

-- people who have little substantive to say about DL and instead post mostly inane off-topic comments

Now, if you're bent on being a degree mill apologist, you probably won't have a very good time here, simply because the majority of the regulars are people that understand the value of, and therefore encourage the use of, regional/GAAP or other DoEd-accredited degrees. And my past experience is that most mill apologists, once they run out of logical arguments to defend their unwonderful programs, generally resort to name-calling, blustering, and so forth... and things tend to degenerate from there. So, at that level, the moderators can and do often step in and suspend posting privileges and/or edit or remove posts... but only when there's a pretty clear violation of our terms of service, to which each poster agrees at the point of signing up to use the discussion forum.

Moderation has been a little thin in the past few months, owing to time limitations of the current moderators. We anticipate that will be changing fairly soon, and it's our hope that when this happens, we'll be able to calm some of the flaming that pops up from time to time and keep things civil and focused on the topic. Probably 90% or better of the posters here already handle themselves quite well. The others generally already know who they are, and the moderators will hopefully be better able to gently remind people when they step over the line and encourage them to stay within the bounds of common courtesy.

I hope that answers your question.

 

There are some courses here that can help with the english: http://www.pwu.com/home.asp?ID=4

 

Re: Re: To the Moderator

I'm not so sure about "admitting" mistakes. I'll only speak for myself, but I don't consider teaching at VIU or interning at Greenwich to be mistakes. Even MIGS, as it was laid out, was fascinating. It turned out differently, however, but it never was the degree mill others claimed.

At each point, I was involved with these schools at their beginnings--Greenwich and MIGS at the outset, VIU after they'd been open for almost 2 years. Greenwich was terrific. MIGS was a disappointment. VIU is still an open question. (They're preparing to apply for accreditation--possibly this year. We'll see.)

What others want to make into "mistakes" I simply see differently, and I'm glad for it. I regret only MIGS, and only because it turned out to be entirely different than advertised, and because I wasn't patient enough to find out.

Believe me, I wouldn't have spoken so freely about my work with these three schools if I had something to hide. The same might be said of John, but that's his to say.

 

I agree with Rich. No regrets. Made sense at the times (1978-82 for Columbia Pacific, 1986 for Fairfax, 1990-91 for Greenwich, 1991-98 for Heriot-Watt/Edinburgh Business School. Nothing since, but I am in the final stages of discussions with a non-school educationally-related company.

 

Hello friends, sorry about my English

Thanks moderator to answer my questions.

People, is not a mistake or bad to teach or be a proprietor of a Legal unaccredited institutions of higher education.
Because in USA and for the Federal Government to be an institution of higher education, the university need to be “legally authorized to provide an educational program beyond secondary education in the State in which the institution is physically located” (Code of Federal Regulations 34CFR600.4) Authority: 20 U.S.C. 1094, 1099b, and 1141(a).

 

I think that would depend on what kind of legal unaccredited institution it was, right? If the school is a degree mill, associating with it might be both a bad idea and a serious mistake. If the school is credible, there might not be anything wrong with associating with it at all.

What are you trying to argue with your code sections?

34 C.F.R. 600.4 concerns institutional eligibility for participation in federal student aid programs.

Apparently the U.S. Code numbering has been altered since this Code of Federal Regulations section was written because:

20 U.S.C. 1094 concerns program participation agreements for schools participating in U.S. federal student aid programs.

20 U.S.C. 1099 is a short little thing concerning exemption from state disclosure requirements. There is no section b.

Cornell's search page was unable to locate a 20 U.S.C. 1141.

The purpose of 34 C.F.R. 600 is:

Sec. 600.1 Scope.
Source: 59 FR 22336, Apr. 29, 1994, unless otherwise noted.
This part establishes the rules and procedures that the Secretary uses to determine whether an educational institution qualifies in whole or in part as an eligible institution of higher education under the Higher Education Act of 1965, as amended (HEA). An eligible institution of higher education may apply to participate in programs authorized by the HEA (HEA programs).
(Authority: 20 U.S.C. 1088, 1094, 1099b, 1099c, and 1141)

Accreditation requirements are set out in 34 C.F.R. 600.4:

(5) Is--
(i) Accredited or preaccredited; or
(ii) Approved by a State agency listed in the Federal Register in accordance with 34 CFR part 603, if the institution is a public postsecondary vocational educational institution that seeks to participate only in Federal student assistance programs.

As far as I know, the only U.S. Dept. of Education recognized state approval process is New York's.

 

Hello friends, sorry about my English.

Bill, what happens if the association is with unaccredited universities that are?

Columbia Pacific== The Court Closed the Institution

Greenwich = = Closed by the Government.

What you think Bill, no problem with this?

Bill, if the Government Closed the University, what kind of school is this?

 

Hello Plice, Sorry that I were born in non-english speaking country.

Why don't you found Police School Of Diploma Mill and Unaccredited School Apologetics. ?

This a good idea I thought.

 

Hi Teerayoot: Funny, funny, funny! You know what's fascinating about our little friend? The combination of relentlessness and pointlessness--a busy void.

 

Doctor of Philosophy in English
degree requirement:
Core course
81-5841. Complete a-z alphabet.
82-8546. Present tense.
87-8573. Past tense.
94-5447. Future tense.

*PhD graduate must proficience in english writing skill and complete one paragraph for publish e.g. "Hi friend, sorry about my english"

just kidding

 

Hi uncle!! I see.