Macabre

Article on mutilation of body Spanish policeman:

http://www.suntimes.com/output/terror/cst-nws-grave20.html

Does anyone still think we are dealing with people who can be negotiated with? These people respect only death and violence hence the WTC, Intifada, Spanish bombings and the hundreds of other terrorist acts over the past 40 years. The only way to deal with this ilk is to negotiate with them in a language they understand, force.

JLV, spare me your rant. This isn't about Spain.

 

The whole problem is the attempt to be nice guys in war and this is part of a war.

The US has got itself into more problems fighting limited objective wars. You have to beat the crap out of them so they will know that they don't want to go through it again. Witness Germany and Japan. Then they would rather be your friend than your enemy. Typically there are few consequences being an enemy of the US.

If you don't want to thrash them, leave them alone.

 

Amen

The single greatest miscalculation of the war so far was to think the opposition would fight fair. They won't, we must, so we are at a disadvantage from the start. Rumsfeld should have known that, it is not like there wasn't ample warning. He's gotta go.

 

Let's launch a new crusade!

I sign up Chris and Dennis as the first to go....

Seriously now...

This is about a war between civilization (the West) and Islam (barbarity). We might as well get used to it - Israel has.

Or...

We could drop support of Israel, leave them to their fate at the hands of the Arabs (even moderate ones want to exterminate all living Jews in Israel), and develop alternate energy sources here and say screw the entire Middle East. That's kind of what George Washington might have recommended, were he still alive - avoid foreign entanglements.

But I'm more of the opinion that we kick the crap out of them, including mass reprisals on their women and children. Take the fight straight to the enemy, just like in Roman times, and in Medieval times, and in modern times.... God help us win!

 

Well, this was really outrageous. It is apparently a very personal interpretation of Surah 83. This is as well a message that they are still there, that they haven’t all been arrested, and that they can strike as soon as they want. “This is not over” they seem to be telling us. The Sun Times article doesn’t mention they found a shovel stuck in his chest and a pick in his head, disfigured by the repeated strikes (sorry if it’s too explicit). This is really devastating. Paradoxically, we just recently learned that the massacre planning took place well before Spain sent troops to Iraq (which was more of a symbolic deed of political support to G.W. Bush that an act of war since sending 1300 troops where the US has 100,000 is merely a joke). I agree with Ruhl. This is definitely a war, and here in Europe 90% of people haven’t realized it yet so we are defenseless against this type of enemy, without a state, and a centralized command. Today ten sob’s wanted to blow themselves in Manchester, England in Old Trafford Soccer Stadium (the Theater of the Dreams is also called, a magnificent arena) and kill some more hundreds. Here in The Netherlands everyday there is two, three times the trains traffic is stopped (most Dutch people commute daily to work by train). Same all over the EU.

And that moron in Spain retiring troops … I recommend today’s Wall Street Journal’s editorial Generalisimo Zapatero, a clear reference to Franco’s isolationist foreign policy. In the meantime Chirac and Schroeder keep on laughing. Shame on him.

 

Too late...

My application for voluntary recall to active duty went out one week after 9/11. It has been updated every year since. They must not think they need me. I am not as old as many still serving so I think I still have something to offer.

I don't remember anyone asking for reprisals. However, remember we are the country where the ACLU feels it needs to sue on behalf of combatants alledgedly illegally detained. It is a long way from that to Mei Lei type massacres of civilians. That is the kind of crap which makes the bad guys think that if they can just be dirty enough we'll give up and go home.

Personally, I am for supporting Israel AND developing alternative energy souces AND saying screw the oil producing funders of terrorism. Taking their source of wealth would go a long way to cutting off world wide terrorism.

 

I also want to add that

I am not old enough to remember WW2 but my wife's grandfather is and he told me that had Franklin Rooselvelt been asked what his exit strategy was he would have said " As soon as we win, we will exit ".

We in the US are fortunate that these barbarians have not taken to the suicide bombings to us locally, (WTC and the Pentagon excepted).

Imagine going to your local mall, or waiting for a bus and living in fear of a bomb exploding on the back of a kid riding a bike passing by.

I have never advocated wiping out Islam. That would be crazy. I do think however that we should take our stance and establish a position that we WILL not live in fear and that any further American troop deaths will be met with quick, decisive and destructive military action.

The US is the worlds greatest country and defends everybody when they need it. We have virtually abolished communism, we took care of the Nazi's, the Japanese empire and a host of other
threats to worldwide security and peace and I am sure that there are many others out there that would rise to power if the US were not around to protect civilized nations around the world.

The French look great and stand tall when they are not under attack and look at what the Spaniards have shown the world by removing the troops.

IMHO Great Britain is our only true ally. At least THEY remember what we did for them. I think that every country in Europe should be there alongside us in full force, if for no other reason, to back us up in principal and thank us for the 114,000 American servicemen and women killed in the Italian campaign alone.

 

These are all fine sentiments, LaJazz.... and I agree with you on all your points. However, I'd like to mention that there are a few Russians who would take issue with the statement that the US "took care of the Nazis".... Of course we were instrumental, but the brunt of the battle was carried out, and won, by Stalin's Red Army - fighting for their very survival.

Russia should be an ally with us against these crazed Islamic fundamentalists too - they certainly have suffered enough at their hands lately. Wonder what it will take to get a coalition established?

 

Carl

Point well taken.

Historians have long noted that the greatest mistake the Nazi's made was to take on the Russians and I agree with them.

Sorry, I just got carried away with patriotism for my adopted country.

 

Re: Let's launch a new crusade!

My name is on a list somewhere. I get a letter every couple years addressed to Dennis Ruhl 2LT, probably one of the oldest 2LTs in the system. Canada seems to think it's not our problem.

We spared no effort in bringing back a 14? year old Al Khaida(sp) fighter from Pakistan for medical treatment after his father was killed. Canada has 2000 troops in Afghanistan. I wonder if he set the mine that killed some of them?

Silly me but I thought there were laws against treason.

 

There were, once. Here, too, once.

 

Re: Let's launch a new crusade!

Yes, we should focus on killing their children to demonstrate to these barbarians what civilization is all about.

 

Re: Re: Let's launch a new crusade!

Well said, Jeff. Your tongue in cheek comment highlights how savage we can become when confronted with an emotional issue.

 

War Without Mercy...

Some of you may have read this excellent analysis of the war in the Pacific between the US and Japan?

http://mcel.pacificu.edu/as/students/gaskill2/mercy.html

That's what were talking about when we are reduced to "savagery". Unfortunately, war is a savage business, and if we aren't in it to win it we should get out, lock up our borders, withdraw our troops and funds from everyplace we exist overseas, and put the nation back on its pre-1900 isolationist footings.

Otherwise, we'd better be prepared to fight for our right to control world events, and fight damned hard against a determined enemy who would stop at nothing to bring down every last one of us - man, woman, and child.

In my humble opinion....

- Carl

 

Yes, we should focus on killing their children to demonstrate to these barbarians what civilization is all about.

(Hamas is pissed coz this won't fit on a bumper sticker.)

 

I hear Hamas is looking for a new leader, again. Volunteers?

 

Does Zapatero moonlight?

 

Hey, priest, take it easy!

As bad as his policy on Iraq may be, he's been elected democratically, and Spain is sovereign to take any decision it wants whether you like it or not.

"Give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and to God what belongs to God." Matthew 22: 15-21

or

"My Kingdom is not of this world." (John 18: 36)

Does it sound familiar by chance? This was when Christians decided to be secular and .... stay away from such an earthly, mundane matter as politics are .... back 2000 years ago. I can believe someone who claims to be a leader of a confession can be so insensitive.

 

And I am sovereign to say anything I damn well feel like that doesn't violate the TOS of this site. Who the bloody hell are you to lecture me on what I as a clergyman am or am not allowed to say? The Amsterdam office of the Spanish Inquisition?

Zapatito is heartless, gutless, brainless, ballless. His campaign promise was to pull out unless the UN got involved massively by the so-called sovereignty date. He gave the UN no chance to do anything. He cut and ran. That's chickenshit. He yanked troops in the middle of a crisis period. That's shameful. He ordered disorderly retreat that showed no respect for the Spanish soldiers. That's insulting. Then, he and his retro-imperialist flunkies started leaning on the old colonies--Honduras and the Dominican Republic--to pull out. After all, they ought to follow the lead of the great white motherland that brought to their sunny shores syphilis, slavery, and sergeant-major tyranny.

If your memory worked, you would recall that when posters on this forum called the Spanish people cowards for dumping Aznar in the wake of the bombings in Madrid, I defended them while yet deploring the outcome of the election.

Zapatella, however, is a coward, a man without honour, a disgrace to social democracy, an appeaser, a whore to fear.

And, you, sir, in Amsterdam? Pim Fortuyn died for your sins.