Democrats are saying "Screw Them."

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  1. AV8R

    AV8R Active Member

    SCREW THEM?

    First .. you need to know who Markos Moulitsas Zuniga is. Zuniga has a website known as the Daily Kos. This site seems quite popular among leading leftists and Democrats. He also has close ties to Democratic Chairman Terry McAuliffe. You will also find Democratic organizations and candidates advertising on the Daily Kos. These include the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, the Democratic National Committee, the Draft Kerry - Edwards committee, Jane Mitakides, a Democratic congressional candidate from Ohio, and others.

    Now that you know a little about the Daily Kos, let's read what Markos Zuniga posted on his website last week after four American contractors were killed in Fallujah, and their burned bodies hung from a bridge:

    "Let the people see what war is like. This isn't an Xbox game. There are real repercussions to Bush's folly.

    That said, I feel nothing over the death of merceneries [sic]. They aren't in Iraq because of orders, or because they are there trying to help the people make Iraq a better place. They are there to wage war for profit. Screw them."

    Nice, huh? Screw them. They were there to wage war for profit. The truth is that these four men were attempting to provide security for a delivery of food to the residents of Fallujah. This is what this loyal Democrat calls waging war for profit. Four Americans killed providing security for a humanitarian effort. Democrats say "screw them."
     
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  2. AV8R

    AV8R Active Member

    ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THE MEDIA CARRYING THE WATER FOR THE DEMOCRATS

    Last week there was good news for George Bush, and tragic news for everyone. One story made Americans feel good. The other story made all of us sick to our stomachs. The good story was the surprisingly good numbers showing almost 400,000 jobs created by our economy in March*. The bad news was the murder and desecration of four American civilians working in Iraq.

    Here was the task facing the liberals at CBS. How can they use the "feel bad" story to make Americans feel a little less good about the "feel good" story? Well, believe it or not, they figured it out. Thanks to Dan Rather we now know that those four men who were killed in Fallujah were only there because they couldn't find decent jobs at home. On last Wednesday night's newscast Rather asked the question: "What drives American civilians to risk death in Iraq? In this economy, it may be, for some, the only job they can find."

    These four men were former military. They were former Navy Seals and special forces operatives. They were earning a living the way they wanted to earn a living. One of these men was from Delaware. The unemployment rate there is 3.1%.

    What we have here is a simple exercise by Dan Rather to try to slant the news so as to take a positive story and drag it down by associating it with a negative story. Another reason why fewer and fewer people are watching CBS news.
     
  3. pugbelly

    pugbelly New Member

    First of all, human life is human life. It's always a loss when life is taken.

    Second, these contractors, whether they were there guarding food supply or whether they were paid assassins, is unimportant. What is important is that they were there AT THE REQUEST OF THE U.S. MILITARY. They were not renegade Soldiers of Fortune, thrill seekers with their own agenda. They were trained men, most of them military veterans, that were hired to perform specific tasks on behalf of the U.S. Armed Services. To dismiss their deaths as being unimportant or meaningless is an insult to them, their families, the U.S. Armed Services, and the American people.

    Pug
     
  4. MichaelR

    MichaelR Member

    oh, and not all democrats read that site.... never heard of it until today.
     
  5. Guest

    Guest Guest

    The problem is that the "movers and shakers" in the Democratic Party read this tripe and formulate policy and operational plans based on the materials.

    The average Democratic voter, you're correct, probably doesn't read ultra leftist garbage.
     
  6. Deb

    Deb New Member

    How do you know what the "movers and shakers" of any party reads?

    I don't read the far right or the far left. Both ends go too far.
     
  7. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Because I have been politically active for most of my life, have held both appointed and elective office, and listen to the "movers and shakers" of all political parties as well as read their works wherein they quote the printed sources they read and follow as well as from which they formulate policy and polity.
     
  8. Deb

    Deb New Member

    Quotes

    Can you give list somewhere this press has been quoted?
     
  9. Guest

    Guest Guest

  10. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Re: Quotes

    Hi, Deb,

    If you will tune into C-Span or C-Span II, you will periodically hear speeches by Democratic Party leadership and you will hear references to this "press" as well as other extreme publications, etc.

    I think Terry McAuliffe is scheduled sometime next month. Periodically, a panel discussion by major Democratic Party officials is presented and such references are also mentioned.
     
  11. AV8R

    AV8R Active Member

    More blaming the victims by Democrats...

    Remember those four civilian contractors who were killed in Fallujah about ten days ago? Their bodies were mutilated, drug through the streets and hung from a bridge. What were these four men doing when they were attacked? They were providing security for a shipment of food to the citizens of Fallujah.

    Well ... guess who's to blame for their death? Evidently they were to blame. At least that's the feeling you get from a recent memo that Democrats Tom Daschle and Hillary Clinton sent to Secretary of Defense Don Rumsfeld. Hillary and Daschle wrote that these civilian contractors were nothing less than a "private army" and that the Defense Department needs to do a better job of screening and controlling the actions of such people in Iraq.

    Oh ... and by the way. Neither Hillary nor Tom Daschle had any suggestions on what should be done with or to the Iraqis who killed these men. It was their fault, you see. They just weren't being properly controlled by the Pentagon.
     
  12. pugbelly

    pugbelly New Member

    Hillary....what a joke.
     
  13. chris

    chris New Member

    Who cares what Kennedy says

    If he hadn't been a Kennedy he would have served time for Chappaquidick. Killing someone while driving drunk and then fleeing the scene is a felony. What a low life. It turns my stomach to look at him.
     
  14. Tom57

    Tom57 Member

    Right wingers,

    God, give it a rest. This whole political tirade has gotten a little out of hand. If you want to post blogs, then you should start your own site. You all are sounding positively shrill and a little paranoid these days. I realize this is the off-topic forum, but these daily rantings about the "liberal press" and which Democrat turns your stomachs etc. is not very interesting anymore.

    Now let me get back to controlling the press.

    ;)
     
  15. chris

    chris New Member

    Good Response

    This isn't a political issue. If it had been your daughter that he abandoned in that car you might feel a little differently. The fact is Kennedy was, and still is, a man of poor moral character and it is disgusting how people hang on his every word because he is a Kennedy. I also like how you label anyone who doesn't agree with you a right winger. You know nothing about me but feel mighty comfortable painting me with a broad brush. Get a grip.
     
  16. Tom57

    Tom57 Member

    Re: Good Response

    You know what? I get the same disgusted feeling every time I see George Bush. His privilege allowed him to avoid service in Viet Nam (and altogether it seems), yet as president, he has no problem sending thousands to the Middle East, with many hundreds dying there, and many more to die there in the future. All this in the name of principles that, apparently, he didn't have the guts to stand up for when he was a young man. And all made possible because he's a Bush. Disgusting!

    I made no mention of those who don't agree with me when referring to right wingers. Go back and reread. I was referring to those on this thread who rant about liberal conspiracies, and Kerry as a criminal blah blah blah.

    Nevertheless you're right - I shouldn't label anyone a right winger without knowing if it's true. No one should be accused of that unless they are truly guilty of it. I hope you're not one. My apologies.
    ;)
     
  17. chris

    chris New Member

    Bush isn't the only one....

    Your very comments were made about FDR back before WW2. Neither was Woodrow Wilson a soldier and he was pilloried for getting us into WW1. Clinton was a draft dodger pure and simple. Didn't even bother to do the National Guard thing. Last time I checked though, no one ever can claim anyone of those people played a direct hand in the killing of a young girl. And Kennedy hasn't even been clean since then. That is my beef with him.

    And speaking of coversations about Bush, I listened to a guy the other day talk about how he milked his college deferments during Vietnam until he was 26. Then he was drafted only to get lucky with an assignment to Germany. Was he somehow unethical? Avoidance of the draft was done by a lot of people in Vietnam and it was done by people from all walks of life.

    Another little known fact is that there were National Guardsmen serving at times in Vietnam. Especially Air Guardsmen, so it wasn't risk free. In fact being a jet pilot all by itself is a pretty risky business. Those things crash, a lot.

    The VAST majority of Guardsman during Vietnam were neither connected politically nor monetarily but many did know another guardsman who helped them get in. That was the way it worked then. Nowadays guardsmen are dying all the time so it is by no means a way to avoid conflict.

    Most people who were drafted never ended up in Vietnam. Fewer than 1 in 16 soldiers who serve in wartime ever get close to combat. Should these people now be ineligible to order troops into battle?

    Your statement that you have the same anger and disgust when you look at Bush is way misplaced and inappropriate. I do not personally approve of many of the things Bill Clinton has done but I would put him on a higher moral plane than Kennedy. Some things are not moral equivelants. Bush has done what many think needed to be done, myself included. Kennedy was and is, just a bum.
     
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  18. Tom57

    Tom57 Member

    Re: Bush isn't the only one....

    You know it's pointless to keep pulling names from both sides as examples of draft dodgers, criminals, racists etc. For every Dem you name, I can name a Republican.

    There's a difference between random luck that you describe above, and deterministic (manipulative?) luck, as exercised by Bush. If Bush were raised in average, modest means, he'd be trying to fight his way out of a mailroom somewhere.

    This doesn't apply to Bush, however.

    So what? The vast majority of times that Kennedy drove with passengers in his car he didn't crash into a lake and kill his passengers. I doubt you would defend Kennedy this way, and it does little to defend Bush. It's pretty well established that his father's connections got him a gravy train assignment. It doesn't matter if the majority of Guardsmen got their appointments legitimately.

    No. They were drafted honestly and served their time. Bush benfited from his dad's connections, and the records seem to indicate that he was consistently absent from service.

    It's my opinion so it's neither misplaced nor inappropriate. Your contention that Kennedy is a bum is your opinion.
     
  19. chris

    chris New Member

    Not really

    I did not name them because they were Democrats. You did that and it just goes to show how partisan you are. I named them because they were people who led our troops into a just war and were then pilloried for it. It was alleged by many that FDR tricked us into it. You know, kind of like people say about Bush now. It has even been alleged that FDR had wind of an attack and did nothing about Pearl Harbor. There is always someone ready with a conspiracy theory.

    Many said Harry Truman was an idiot, including FDR, the man who selected him to be VP. He had zero college education and didn't leave the farm and his parents home until well into his 30's. So much for people's opinion of other people's intelligence and their capabilities. I am a Republican, someone disliked by Truman who was extremely partisan, but I can respect him as a a good man. However, your statement above about Bush's intelligence is just a guess and based on heresy. You don't know Bush at all. You are just going by what the press and those who hate him say. Kind of like you accused the right wingers of doing about Kerry and other Dem's. And before you start brushing me with that partisan brush, one of my letters of recommendation for my PHD was written by a past state chairman of the Democratic Party. That must make me a right winger.

    My point was many if not most at that time didn't get theirs any more legitamately than Bush is ALLEGED to have. But you aren't hating them because they are not someone you are primed to hate because of your partisanship. And it has NEVER been proven that Bush never attended his meetings. That was just an allegation made by some geriatric National Guard general guessing whether or not a captain attended some meeting 30 years ago. What a farce. I couldn't remember if one of my soldiers were with me 20 years ago and I actually worked with them. I have, actually, served in the military and know how these things work, have you? By the way, National Guard generals usually got their position as a political appointment and Louisiana, which is where that general was from I believe, is (and was more so then) a Democratic state.

    Kennedy is, in fact, a bum. If it wasn't for his family name he would be a nobody with a felony record. Where is your anger on that?

    Tom57, you are, at best, extremely partisan on this topic and really shouldn't play the innocent abused by the right-wingers here.
     
  20. pugbelly

    pugbelly New Member

    <<I shouldn't label anyone a right winger without knowing if it's true. No one should be accused of that unless they are truly guilty of it.>>


    Guilty of it? Wow, you might have some issues. I'm a right winger and I am proud, not guilty. I believe in ethics, personal accountability, moral fiber, and common sacrifice. Guilty? Yikes. :(
     

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