Spain rewards Al Qaida: Bomb The Vote! (Neville Chamberlain speaks Spanish)

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  1. Orson

    Orson New Member

    With a post-massacre reversal of government pending (socialists in Spain upseting ruling conservatives) - and a removal of 1300 Spanish troops in Iraq forthcoming, will the lie that Iraq had nothing to do with Al Qaida finally end?

    Will terrorism now spread among democracies? - now that Al Qaida's allies have learned to Bomb The Vote? To fracture their enemies (i.e., the West)...?

    Does Europe grow more vulnerable? Or less?

    --Orson
    PS As Neville Chamberlain now speaks Spanish, evil grows among us because terrorism will be rewarded. (Appeasers never learn!)

    PPS Why has John Kerry Been silent?
     
  2. Orson

    Orson New Member

    TWO anonymous reaction are worth sharing:

    "Why not look at the bombings in Spain as a sort of "Rock the Vote" RoP style. Bomb right before an election and bring out all the people who don't pay any attention to what's going on in the world. (If it is as I understand that the voter turnout is higher than usual.)

    "I am sickend by this. Not only that we are losing a valuable ally(probably), but the RoPers will declare open season on any democracy holding national elections."

    NEXT:

    "Its all over. I'm throwing in the towel guys. I'm voting for Kerry next November.

    "I want us to withdraw from Iraq. Let the Islamists have it. Cut aid to Israel to zero. Let the Pals destroy them. I don't care anymore. F* - F* em all to hell.

    "If the Iraqis won't stand up and claim their freedom, if they want an Islamic government then let the bastards have it. Who are we to tell them what government they can and can't have. And if they want freedom then let Chalabi and his militia spill their own blood for it - they'll appreciate it more once they've earned it.

    "As for Israel. Well they are a lost cause. Caught up in gridlock they refuse to do what is necessary to win once and for all. F* em.

    "Give me John Kerry. Lets just negotiate with Bin Laden. I want peace. I don't want anymore Americans to die for a bunch of sloths in the world who don't appreciate it.

    "Have a nice day."
     
  3. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Orson,

    I always thoroughly enjoy your politically-oriented posts. You have the insight of Woodrow Wilson, the bravery of Theodore Roosevelt, the intelligence of Robert Kennedy, the humanity of Jimmy Carter, and the integrity of President George W. Bush.


     
  4. JLV

    JLV Active Member

    Spain was the weakest link of the US allies. It is exposed to Fundamentalist Muslims. Al Qaeda knew that, and last Thursday's massacre made a great number of voters change their minds. Zapatero not only will retire Spanish troops from Iraq (helping thus create an image of defeat that will be hevily applauded in the Arab world, and will strenghten the Iraqi "resistance"), he will as well try to break the transatlantic bridge that Aznar tried to reinforce together with Blair and Berlusconi.

    Schroeder and Chirac win once again. :(
     
  5. JLV

    JLV Active Member

    There's one more thing I don't want to forget. The US and Europe must force Israelies and Arabs to sign an agreement about Palestine. That's the only way we'll enjoy peace now that the terrorist have found a way to affect and influence European politics.

    I insist Arabs and Jews must reach an agreement asap for once and ever so that our sons and grandsons can enjoy a better world.
     
  6. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    I thought Chamberlain spoke French. (Orson is so fickle.)

    I'm still not 100% convinced that the bombings weren't the work of the ETA. (They had bomb plots exposed twice in the last three months, and one of the plots reportedly involved bombing trains.)

    But whoever really did these bombings, their political effect of moving Spain away from Washington won't be lost on all the other terrorists watching out there. The danger now is that similar attacks might occur in other pro-American capitals now that terrorism's political success has been demonstrated.
     
  7. Deb

    Deb New Member

    Why does one prove the other?

    I fail to see the connection here. Al Qaeda attacking our ally after we invade Iraqi still doesn't prove that Al Qaede was plotting with Iraqi in 2001. All it proves is that they hate us, have a far reach and are able to plan massive attacks - and we kind of already knew that.

    The following is off the CNN archive site.

    CNN 12/10/03:

    Secretary of State Colin L. Powell conceded Thursday that despite his assertions to the United Nations last year, he had no "smoking gun" proof of a link between the government of Iraqi President Saddam Hussein and terrorists of Al Qaeda.

    "I have not seen smoking-gun, concrete evidence about the connection," Mr. Powell said, in response to a question at a news conference.

    Mr. Powell's remarks on Thursday were a stark admission that there is no definitive evidence to back up administration statements and insinuations that Saddam Hussein had ties to Al Qaeda, the acknowledged authors of the Sept. 11 attacks. Although President Bush finally acknowledged in September that there was no known connection between Mr. Hussein and the attacks, the impression of a link in the public mind has become widely accepted — and something administration officials have done little to discourage. (The bolding is mine.)
     
  8. Orson

    Orson New Member

    Al Qaida Threatens JAPAN, ITALY, BRITAIN, etc...

    In the aftermath of the Madrid terror attacks, Al Qaida is now warning of further terrorist attacks coming to JAPAN and other supporters of the US in Iraq.

    "Yet again, `al-Qaida' has Japan in sights"
    The Asahi Shimbun

    "A group claiming to be the al-Qaida terrorist network took responsibility for Thursday's train bombings in Spain and warned that Japan, as an ally of America, is vulnerable to attack because of the `war against Islam.'

    `Who will protect you, Britain, Japan, Italy and others from us?' said the statement, sent to an Arabic newspaper in London, in an apparent warning to countries that supported the U.S. campaign in Iraq."
    http://www.asahi.com/english/world/TKY200403130141.html
     
  9. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    Exactly.
     
  10. How tragic...

    I know that I have not always agreed with the right-wing opinions of some of the folks on this board, but in terms of geopolitics the analogy of appeasement is right on. It is a shame that the Spanish people won't stand up to terrorists but instead have run scared and voted out the party that had the chutzpah to do it.

    I can't imagine something like this happening in America. And don't get me started by saying that's exactly what Kerry will do - he won't. This country does not run from conflict when it is shoved down our throats in the form of 3,000 dead in a single afternoon.
     
  11. Jeff Hampton

    Jeff Hampton New Member

    Re: Why does one prove the other?

    It's very simple:

    -There were terrorist attacks in the U.S. conducted by Al Quaida
    -The U.S. attacked Iraq
    -President Bush admitted that Iraq had nothing to do with the terrorist attacks
    -There were terrorist attacks in Spain, and we are not sure who conducted them
    -Therefore, Iraq must have been involved with Al Quaida. This is a fact, so if you disagree, you are a liar.

    I can't imagine why this is so hard to understand.
     
  12. Jeff Hampton

    Jeff Hampton New Member

    Re: Why does one prove the other?

    There's the problem:

    CNN=Ted Turner=Jane Fonda=Ho Chi Minh=Saddam Hussein=Jacques Chirac=John Kerry

    Geeez. Don't you listen to talk radio?
     
  13. Deb

    Deb New Member

    Why does one prove the other?

    1. Al Aqueda, a Muslim extremist group, attacked US - agreed.
    2. US attacks Irag - a Muslim country
    3. Spain is attacked for siding with us - agreed.
    4. We could have attacked any Muslim country and the response would have been the same. It does not prove that Al Queda was involved with Irqi, it only proves that Al Queda would have attacked us and our allies for attacking any Muslim country.
     
  14. JLV

    JLV Active Member

    It is a shame that the Spanish people won't stand up to terrorists but instead have run scared and voted out the party that had the chutzpah to do it.

    Reginstein

    You're telling just half the truth. I myself I am disgusted to learn that Spain is retiring its troops as early as June 2004. But I also find your comment on Spanish people's fear is ridiculous. Some 12 million Spaniards took literally over the streets hours after this mass murder occurred. When former Prime Minister Aznar announced Spanish support to Mr. George Bush, a policy that some of us found to be appropriate, many Spaniards took as well over the streets to show their disdain for such an idea. This is not new, the government had been warned about it, but thought it could afford it. Last Thrusday's massacre helped turn the voters the other direction for a number of reasons among which is not fear. Please learn that Spain has been suffering from terrorism for 4 decades now, and they have been unflexible and have NEVER EVER concede to it. I again find your comments to be uproarious and ill founded.
     
  15. Deb

    Deb New Member

    Why does one prove the other?

    Ooopss. Forgot who I was dealing with. So, that lets out NPR too. How about Chicago Sun Times? Tampa Tribune? CBS Evening News? Which report would you like me to post? They all say the same time but I will be happy to find one that you think is more believable.

    Yes, I listen to talk radio - the intelligent ones.
     
  16. Deb

    Deb New Member

    Why does one prove the other?



    Jeff, I thought this was a place to have intelligent conversation about today's important topics. There is no need to call people names or be insulting because we disagree.
     
  17. Jeff Hampton

    Jeff Hampton New Member

    Re: Why does one prove the other?

    Sorry, I was being sarcastic. The initial post of this thread said that it was a lie that Iraq had nothing to do with Al Quaida, and this was proven by the attacks in Spain. I was attempting a little reductio ad absurdum. I guess that is impossible when something is already absurd on its face.
     
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  18. Deb

    Deb New Member

    Sarcasm

    Ah. Yes, on re-reading, I see. Sarcasm is hard to do in print.
     
  19. Lajazz947

    Lajazz947 New Member

    The problem has a solution.........

    But lest you all now jump on the violence begets violence bandwagon...................

    As my dearly departed Cuban grandfather would have said. " All these people understand is violence"

    I am a proud American citizen and feel that this country is the greatest one on earth. A country that was put here to protect free people everywhere.

    When we dropped the bomb on Japan it ended. Right away. We should have done it earlier and it would have saved thousands of American and ally lives. What is it that the Peaceniks in this country don't understand?

    The bottom line with me is that my very humble and knowingly insignificant opinion is that the US has a moral and obligatory duty to be the protector of the free world against tyranny. We were in WWI and we were in WWII, so on and so on.

    Manifest Destiny"? Perhaps. All I know is that perhaps a show of force with REAL persuasion against these muslim terrorists might be what is needed. I think that there should be retaliation for Madrid, for 911 and for the attacks in Israel. I have no regard for a people that sends women and children on suicide bombings. I am sorry if I offend anyone. Imagine asking your children or wife, mother, or anyone else in your family to do that in the name of whatever God you worship.

    Why the Isrealis constantly bow down to public opinion and accept terrorin their streets is beyond me but that's another topic. Imagine being afraid to go to your local mall or ride the bus in your city here in the US.

    If the answer is to let themselves kill each other like savages in their part of the world then so be it. We do not have to go in without provocation but the minute they cross the US borders I say it's all fair game.

    Do we belong in IRAQ? Maybe, maybe not but I say if there is a SHRED of evidence supporting ties with Bin Laden then Damn Right we had a right to attack.

    Wow, got THAT off my chest.
     
  20. Jeff Hampton

    Jeff Hampton New Member

    Re: The problem has a solution.........

    I guess that depends on exactly who you mean by "these people." Al Qaida or Muslims in general? Or do you believe that there is no difference?

    First, given the Manhatten project timeline, I think we dropped the atomic bomb as quickly as possible. Moreover, it did not end the war right away. We hoped it would, but it didn't. We had to drop a second bomb. Good thing that one worked, because that's all we had.

    But now we have plenty of nukes. Is this the type of real show of force you are talking about? If so, who should we nuke?
     

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