Diploma Police?

I am writing again to your wonderful site (sorry in advance for my bad English) to express my worrying about the actions of a few (thank god) well educated people in this forum. I though this is a site providing information about education and helping people finding the right for their needs and money education program. And all that WHEN ASKED. (Thank you again for your help in my question).
Instead of that i see people searching the web for people that posted an non accredited or "fake" diploma (to get a job ) and then snitch on them so they can be fired!! I just read a whole thread about a guy who posted among others and a degree from an “suspicious” university (he had that job for years). How is this guy will go to work tomorrow?
I don’t thing its a good thing to advance through a fake diploma but WHAT ARE YOU PEOPLE A DIPLOMA POLICE?
Do you now what could happen to that guy who done nothing to you? He is a real human who gives his family food from a job that he can obviously do (or he would be fired any way). You are giving him away just to post something to your Favorite thread and be proud for it? So he’s been fired are you glad ? does your fancy "true" PhD glow more now?
I thing people well educated like you should have an different view of the situation and be careful with actions that affect other humans and puts them in a very difficult position. A degree is a proof that a human can do some specific tasks. If that human is a total fake he cant hide with a bogus degree ( a computer programmer who cant write
A program wont have his job even he is “a professor of computer science” .
Thanks for listening and I hope that you see this post from the way I mend it .

No I don’t have any “fake” degree and I am not selling any =-)

And for the suspicious I am a mathematician with a degree of a public state university in Greece ( A.U.Th 5 years of hard work. ) and i own a computer software company.
Thank you for this space.

 

From one Geek to another. I believe that the fruit of ones education should get you the promotions, jobs, and respect that a “true” degree can give one. It belittles all the hard working individuals that spend countless hours of study to have individuals with fake degrees degrade that. If the job that the individual receives is in direct result of such degree then he should be identified. Don’t look at it as taking away a job but restoring a position for a candidate that truly has the credentials for such. The same goes for promotions.

 

An open site like this will of course attract a lot of varying
ideas of what is right and what is wrong. I really don´t think any
of the users are trying to police anyone.

 

not geek but GREEK.

 

Your old Balkan friend (and former Greek teacher) was rather wondering about that...

 

If someone were aware that a medical doctor was using a fake degree, do you think it would be acceptable to spread that information? Or is the proper thing to just let him go on practicing medicine, performing surgeries, etc.

How about an engineer? Someone who designs highways, perhaps. Would it be wrong to point out that the person designing a bridge has never taken one single course in engineering?

 

Common guys i am not talking about doctors or mecanics!!!!
I dont thing anyone whould try to get a neuronsergory degree and go on a hospital to perform !!!! (institutions like that DONT NEED YOUR HELP BELIEVE ME )
I am talking about those poor guys who get a degree in bussines administration , computersciense,web development... its not that big deal , for you to hunt them down and kill .
I am just saying that it is NOT your bussines as is of a legal servise as the POLICE IS. They will first listen the others guy explain and then make a decision.
AND THINk THIS THE OTHER WAY .
what if this guy was realy try to get his degree and someone else bought it for him pretenting to be a distant scool?
whould be more serious to let the man explain before see his name on the internet?
what if i dont like you and sent a message that your degree is in question to your boss who doesnt now the degreeinfo and he just throw you out!
is this your work thats why you got your degree?
i see you dont see this from the others guy view.
GREETINGS TO GREEKS AROUND THE WORLD

 

Fraud

Fraud is illegal, no matter how it is being put into practice. An employee cooking the books or someone gaining a job through a fake degree should both be fired. They are lying for personal gain.

If the person has the skills and knowledge to do the job, then there are ways of gaining the dipolma. It might take time and money but it will be legal.

 

What you and others have to do is cull the useful information from a forum such as this.

It is useful and right to "snitch" on someone who, due to having a fake or mill degree, may ruin someone's life--medicine, counseling, sex therapy, career coaches, teaching, etc.

Granted there may be some mill folks who don't harm in their jobs but when it comes to interaction with others in matters of life and death, mental health or mental destruction, being educated or not, then, snitching is the ethical avenue to take.

But, but, it should be done out of care and compassion for the victims and not just to play "Gotcha ya" and brag about it!

 

YES I AGREE WITH YOU THAT ANYONE THAT WANTS TO CHECK A DEGREE MAY COME HERE AND DO HIS RESEARCH FOR HIS OWN BUSSINES.(as i did)
I ALSO AGREE THAT IS NOT THE SAME IF WE TALK FOR PEOPLE THAT WILL DO HARM TO THE FELLOW HUMAN JUST BECAUSE OF THEIR CRIMINAL ACTION HAVING A MD DOCTORS DEGREE .
ITS NOT THE SAME!!! Only a criminal would try to get a medical job having nothing more than a "color" degree
But what if nothing of the above is hapening....
what if someone that had a life experience on e.g computer programing took the job with an non accredited degree but
after 5 years of hard work he does a great job and harmes no one.will you after 5 years snitch him and throw him unemployed?
thats the ethical dilima i am puting here.
If he does a good job (or he would not keep his place)
why should i be a junge and destroy him and his family?
Anyway a degree paper (good or fraud ) doesnt make the good professional now days the true value of a person shows right away (or in the first month).

Live and let live

 

Lying is still wrong

If the person got the job through lying about his degree then it is fradulate employment and yes, he should be fired. Whether he is doing ill or not, he lied to get the position.

What about the other applicants? What about the person who worked through his degree, put in the money and work and lost the job to someone who merely "bought" the paper? Is that fair to the person who did all the hard work?

 

This is good Libertarian (Libertine?) philosophy until a life is ruined!

 

If his job requires a valid degree as a prerequisite, and he got the job through misrepresenting a fraudulent degree (note: fraudulent, not unaccredited) then, yes. And I sleep like a baby afterwards. Where's the dilemna?

Gee.. Because in this example, he's a fraudster. He's gaining something of value (salary, benefits) by willfully misrepresenting something his employer (the victim) considers HIGHLY material. He's a thief with a steady job. Why is this such a tough concept to grasp?

Not long ago, in most places, a criminal had more to fear from the citizenry at large than from his/her actual victim or from the police. There was a sense that a crime against a neighbor was an affront to the whole community, and that it wasn't incumbent upon the victim to "do something." It was EVERYBODY'S responsibility to do what they could to ensure that their neighbors weren't preyed upon-- whether by robbers or by low-grade con men. Unfortunately, that sense is largely gone.

Congratulations. You're part of the problem.

 

point well taken.
I think the whole thing that makes it so dificult to agree is that YOU have in mind big corporates that take employies by just reading their CV and I small businnes like mine that takes employies not based only with the cvs but with preseded work
and testing on needed skils.
And i am not part of any problem i believe more in the condent and less on the color raping.

May be if i was in US i would have the same opinion as you.

But honestly i cant believe that people with masters , phd's and who nows what else are spenting much of their precious time over google trying to find frauds WITH OUT ANY PRACTICAL GAIN BUT ONLY THE "COMMON GOOD".

Keep up the good work !

 

John Bear told the story of a court case where he was called to refute the credentials of an expert witness. This person's opinions in criminal cases had been take at face value for more than 20 years (IIRC). Well, that person's only degree was from a diploma mill. I believe that many criminal convictions were facing review and possibly being overturned. This seemingly benign thing (some guy claiming a fake Ph.D.) had a tremendous impact on the judicial system, public safety, and people's lives.

 

In general there ar two points. I f a person advertises themselves as an expsert in a field and claims this expertise becasue of their degree and that degree is from a fake organization. This person is committing fraud. Posting your information on the internet is advertising. Hence no problem in exposing them. The infomation is in the public domain.

Second, some one applies for a job and lists on thier resume' and is hired because of that. No public informatin is posted. How could they be exposed? If the company then posts information solicitng clients based on this persons credentails, then it is right to inform them that the credentials are fake. Agian the information is in the public domain for all to see, hence no problem in exposing them.

The only case where some one could be harmed is if it is generally annouced that XYZ is a fake and all credentails from them are fake, and because of this some one loses a job. Again, hwat is the problem. The truth was established and theyknew they were lying in the begining.

I know of no one, how goes around and looking in peoples office files to find false credentails. but if some one posts them on the web, THAT is in the public domain!

If someone came to me and said that they have an expert in a particular field on thier staff and this person had a credential from a fake organization and I knew it, I would be contributing to the fraud if I did NOT report it.

 

Academic fraud is wrong. It is a crime that hurts the value of formal education at the least. It also hurts people that have earned real degrees when they miss out on an opportunity that is filled by someone that is fraudulently claiming a degree. It also is going to hurt employers when they hire someone that isn't qualified.

 

Methinks voulgeor might have a hidden agenda?

 

Talking about dubious degrees, a funny(to me anyway) thing happened recently. First a little history: My previous employer was a large US automaker that merged with a German automaker. The orders came down from Germany that everyone at Supervisor level and above had to have a degree. Suddenly, a lot of people who could hardly spell, but were related to someone, started coming up with degrees from SRU, Hamilton, Trinity, etc. Fast forward to last week: it seems one of the Engineers went in for what he thought would be a routine meeting with some bigwigs from Germany. To his surprise, they started asking him questions about advanced math, and some basic engineering questions. He was totally lost. He was also immediately fired. The story I heard was that they didn't even let him go back to get his personal stuff, they packaged it up for him.

 

Call me clairvoyant but I see some very nice settlements as Hans und Fritz get to explain their actions to a downhome American jury.