An Apology

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  1. Guest

    Guest Guest

    It appears I have behaved inappropriately with some posts that were offensive to some. I apologize to the entire group.

    The administrators have been more than generous, gracious, and lenient with me and I appreciate it.

    I don't know why I allow others to get under my skin. Outside of forums I conduct myself with dignity and decency.

    I keep my word outside the forums although I don't intentionally mean to deviate from my promises to be civil.

    I am generally seen by others who know me and have had personal relationships with me as a congenial, easy-going person who does not strike back.

    Emails and forums are so cold it seems and one really needs to exercise restraint and self-discipline.

    Now that I have apologized to the entire group I am more than certain I will be civil from now on.

    Again, I apologize and thank the administrators for their tolerance that is not deserved.
     
  2. Tireman4

    Tireman4 member

    Jimmy,

    Apology accepted, although I have no beef with you. You and I are on different sides politically,but we have remained very civil. I think you probably meant that apology to others. As for me, I accept it:) I respect you for the kind words and will continue to have great and animated conversations in the future.
     
  3. Bill Grover

    Bill Grover New Member

    I wanted you to know, Jimmy, that I've not complained about being mistreated by you. I disagree with you theologically, and that is OK. I am bothered when you say things about theologians you cannot prove. I do not think as highly as you do about some schools. Unless someone begins to extol these schools which IMO are seriously deficit , I usally say nothing. My hunch is we all offend at times, Jimmy.



    As my wife frequently reminds me, "Bill you're not perfect you know"
    :D

    Now I really need to go and work a couple of days [without posting] on chap 6 where I much struggle.

    Get back to me on Barth, please--primary sources ONLY please!
     
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  4. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Bill,

    I only named two theologians, Calvin and Barth. I proved Calvin said that about the Trinity in his work "Epistola Joannis Calvini apud Polonos Confirmar."

    These are his own words.

    As far as Barth, again, I learned this more than 20 years ago at Earlham School of Religion.

    I will get the primary source. I will contact Earlham tomorrow as well as Dr. Forrester Church, an authority on Barth.

    Your quote from you wife was funny! I am reminded of Madonna's song "Nobody's Perfect," that has the line "Nobody's perfect, nobody's perfect, what did you expect, I'm doing my best."

    I actually used this line in my sermon this morning on "Responding to Sin," based on the the woman caught in adultery.

    Talk to you later.
     
  5. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Jimmy,

    I accept your apology. :D

    No, wait a minute -- You never offended me. :p
     
  6. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Then you can accept it vicariously. :)
     
  7. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Mrs. Grover is an Israelite in whom is no guile, who also manifests the gift of wisdom! ;)
     
  8. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    Our patience is growing thin.

    You've demonstrated more than once that you can be an informative & very helpful board member. Please continue to do just that.

    I wasn't kidding the last time we exchanged e-mails. You should know what that means.
     
  9. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Re: Re: An Apology

    I do know what that means. Again, I appreciate the opportunity to remain a member. :) :)
     
  10. Bill Grover

    Bill Grover New Member

     
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    Bill Grover New Member

     
  12. Bill Grover

    Bill Grover New Member

    sorry for the multiple identical posts...having difficulties with posting.
     
  13. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    Jimmy

    You're not allowed to get more mileage out of your apology than you did the actual sin.

    The only thing I find offensive is your being so polite. I'm sure you will work on it.
     
  14. Guest

    Guest Guest

    You're right as far as context, Bill. But context was not the issue. The quote was identified in a Latin work, a primary source.

    We can only draw two conclusions from this. First, Calvin changed his mind about the Trinity or the context determines something else.

    Until we see the actual work, who knows? I am in the process of seeing if it's available.

    You know Bill, just because I repeat something I learned years ago and cannot quote a primary source doesn't negate the learning or the information.

    I don't know too many people who can cite facts and then list primary sources. I know I learned Fosdick denied the Virgin Birth. Can I quote you primary source off hand? No, I cannot.

    Can I quote you a primary source if I say I learned Martin Luther threw feces at the devil?

    No, but I learned that in seminary as well as the fact that one of Zwingli's 67 theses stated the Bible mentions nothing of purgatory but I cannot give you a primary source for that either.

    Can I quote you a primary source that shows Ballou supported universal salvation? No, I cannot. But, he did!

    Can I quote a primary source that proves Ignatius Loyola suffered injuries to both legs during a military campaign? No, but he did.

    Furthermore, I don't remember every thing or every source I learned 22 years ago.

    I took a course in Liberation Theology at ESR. What do I remember from that course? I only remember the name Dom Helder Camera, that's all. And the only thing I remember about him is that he was (is?) a Catholic priest.

    Right now you, Bill, are engaged in serious research and study with all the tools of research at your disposal. In five or ten years, I seriously doubt you will be able to, off the top of your head, cite primary sources for every piece of theological information you state.

    I am currently engaged in health sciences research. I can cite primary sources all day long right now when it comes to epidemiology, AIDS, Alzheimer's, community and population health, addictions, etc.

    In five or ten years when I cite facts I have learned at CCHS, believe me I will not be able to give primary sources. I will say, for instance, that the bio-psycho-social model of addictions is the most popular. Can I cite primary sources now? Yes, I can. Will I be able to in a few years? I seriously doubt it.

    I hear ministers on television (Drs. Kennedy, Ogilvie, Haddon Robinson, etc.) present theological facts and they don't list the primary sources. But, they are educated men and until I hear something totally unbelieveable or too dubious, I will probably accept what they say prima facie.

    But, rest assured of this. From now on when I make a theological satement, I will back it up with primary sources, just for you, comrade (oops, guess I remember more about Liberation Theology than I thought). :) :)
     
  15. Bill Grover

    Bill Grover New Member

     
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