Actual size of lots of unaccredited schools (some clues, anyway)

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  1. John Bear

    John Bear Senior Member

    I recently had the opportunity to spend a little time with one of the smaller on-line resume services, which lets one search several million unedited resumes that job-seekers have posted. I used the opportunity to search for the use, on resumes, of about 80 schools that do not have generally accepted accreditation. I found some real surprises there -- some in the direction of schools we spend a lot of time fretting about here that had very few mentions, and others with a lower profile and a large number of people putting the degree on their resume.

    The number of resumes searched represents about 4% or 5% of the American work force. Does this mean that the actual numbers of degree-holders would be twenty to twenty-five times this? Or less, because these people are more likely to be unemployed? Or more because these people are less likely to put their alma maters on their resume, or to use on-line (thus much more public) services? I cannot know. Probably a fine thesis or dissertation topic.

    Of course I also cannot know how closely these numbers correlate with the current size of the schools, but it seems safe to suggest there is a positive correlation. After the non-GAAP schools, I give the numbers for a few RA ones with distance programs. And, as some sort of possible benchmark, there were 1,028 with Harvard and 779 with Stanford.

    Finally, there are clearly some numbers that would have been much higher when the schools in question were active (e.g., LaSalle, Columbia State, San Moritz).

    Thoughts and comments will be most welcome.

    Number of resumes listing each school
    Non-GAAP Schools

    Almeda 1,139
    Kennedy-Western 970
    LaSalle 428
    Trinity College and University 388
    California Coast 356
    Lacrosse 280
    Harrington 267
    Barrington 259
    Hamilton 227
    Canyon 216
    Preston 182
    Pacific Western 163
    Columbus 147
    Northfield 147
    Wexford 142
    Columbia State 111
    Century 78
    Suffield 69
    Columbia Pacific 68
    St. Regis 67
    Chadwick 61
    Lexington 61
    Greenwich 60
    Kensington 59
    Brentwick 55
    Shaftewbury 55
    Parkwood 49
    Shelbourne 41
    Thornewood 41
    Ravenhurst 36
    San Moritz 36
    Berne 35
    Glencullen 30
    Rushmore 30
    Strassford 29
    Palmers Green 27
    Kingsfield 22
    SCUPS 20
    Breyer State 16
    Ravenscroft 13
    Landford 12
    Robert Kennedy 11
    Knightsbridge 8
    Ratchford 7
    Wiltshire 7
    Universal Life 7
    Dorchester 6
    Warnborough 6
    Ashwood 5
    Bedford 5
    Carrington 5
    Western States 5
    American Global 4
    Fairfax 4
    Lafayette 4
    American Coastline 3
    Devonshire 3
    Stanton 2
    Washington International 2
    Carlingford 1
    Novus 1
    Robertstown 1
    Columbia Commonwealth 0
    Parkhurst 0

    GAAP schools
    Excelsior/Regents/USNY 3,008
    Nova Southeastern 1,734
    Edison 1,175
    Capella 549
    Charter Oak 267
    Walden 108
    Touro University 42
    UNISA 35
    Jones International 13
    Northcentral 6
     
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  2. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    And the winner is Almeda. A sleeper.

    Raising the profile like our St Regis friends is probably counter-productive.
     
  3. galanga

    galanga New Member

  4. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Very interesting data, thank you.

    One possible wrinkle in the analysis is that it seems common for someone sporting one bogus degree to claim other bogus degrees in addition. Depending how the searches were done, this might skew the overall conclusions if multiple bogus degrees proved to be significant within the population of bogus degree holders. For example trying to estimate the percent resumes listing these type of degrees.
     
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  5. roysavia

    roysavia New Member

    Atlantic International University is missing from the list of non-GAAP schools. I was once a student of this institution before learning about regional accreditation and GAAP.
    I earned a doctorate from this institution. However I would never place this degree on my resume or use the title of "doctor".

    The funny thing about this experience with AIU is that I managed to get my employer to pay for 70% of the tuition. :p
     
  6. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    It seems very common for employers to pay for degrees that they wouldn't actually accept for a new hire. I know that it happens in my company because the tuition reimbursement program only requires the immediate manager's approval. I believe that this is a common situation which the degree mills love to take advantage of in their advertising.
     
  7. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    Excelsior claims more than 100,000 graduates and has 3,008 people listed.

    California Coast has cumulatively had 30,000 students and a guess maybe 15,000 graduates.

    These numbers would be something around 3 % of total graduates in the last 30?? years.

    This would place the number of Almeda "graduates" in the 40,000 range. If they charge $1,000 per degree, this is $40,000,000. This is scary.

    Pardon the bonehead math.
     
  8. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    Thanks for doing this John, it's fascinating. I get the feeling that lots of valuable information could be extracted from these online resumes.

    OK, here's some thoughts and comments.

    Yeah, who woulda thought of Almeda?

    I think that Degreeinfo responds both to those questionable schools that people try to promote here and to schools with unusual gimmicks, usually schemes to pass as accreditation-equivalent (St. Regis et. al.)

    I don't know either. I'd speculate that questionable degrees are overrepresented on resume services because their holders probably are having greater difficulty finding jobs. I'm less sure whether the questionable degree is the cause of that difficulty or the effect.

    I wonder what meaning enrollment figures have for degree mills. Perhaps these numbers correlate better with a McDonald's-style total number of degrees sold.

    I'd speculate that these schools would be underrepresented both because their graduates would probably be more likely to be employed and because they would probably be less likely to use online resume services. Stanford graduates are probably more likely than Almeda graduates to be hired through inside contacts and recommendations.
     
  9. roysavia

    roysavia New Member

    Their annual revenues are probably in the $50 - 60K. I wouldn't be surprised to see Almeda in the million-dollar category (if all revenues have been taken into account since their inception).
     
  10. bgossett

    bgossett New Member

    That a totally fraudulent, non-university that has bounced through four states (NJ, CT, FL, MS) and that started life with a grandiose, but false, claim to affiliation with National University, and has bogus accreditation through Trinity C&U's AOAEx agency could do that is remarkable.

    At least they should have sufficient cash and experience to locate a new mailbox in another lenient state should Mississippi crack down.
     
  11. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    That's where injunctive relief comes in. A fine means little but being SHUT DOWN is another matter altogether.

    I wonder whether these folks pay their taxes??
     
  12. roysavia

    roysavia New Member

    Since we're on the subject of cash cows, does any one know which non-GAAP university or diploma mill made the most money?
    (Other than Columbia State University)

    If these bogus institutions are raking in this kind of cash, why should they care if the local state government sues them? They probably pay their fines and legal expenses out of petty cash. :confused:
     
  13. John Bear

    John Bear Senior Member

    Allen Ezell (ex-FBI) is estimating that the Romanian operation has taken in more than $400 million over 7 or 8 years.
     
  14. Ike

    Ike New Member

    Another point to note is that some of the people who posted their resumes are actually employed. Why would they post their resume on monster.com if they are really employed? The answer is simple. They are looking for more money, better job satisfaction, more prestigious position, etc.

    Ike Okonkwo, Ph.D.

    (whose resume is on monster.com despite being gainfully employed)
     
  15. Michael Lloyd

    Michael Lloyd New Member

    !!!

    Regards,

    Michael Lloyd
    Mill Creek, Washington USA
     
  16. roysavia

    roysavia New Member

    The Columbian drug cartels are probably jealous!!:eek:
     

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