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    Ashworth RN to BSN

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    I wonder what the utility of a DEAC accredited degree is in the nursing field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AV8R View Post
    I wonder what the utility of a DEAC accredited degree is in the nursing field.
    I don't know myself. I suspect it is better for someone in nursing to obtain a degree that is also accredited by CCNE. The Aspen nursing degrees have that as an added bonus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AV8R View Post
    I wonder what the utility of a DEAC accredited degree is in the nursing field.
    In terms of employment it likely varies by employer. In terms of continuing education (MSN ) t likely varies by school. So, "it depends . . ."

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    that feels like an incredibly risky option.

    If it were me, I wouldn't earn a NA degree simply because it blocks you from advanced practice nursing !? You'd have to be 100% certain that you NEVER ever ever wanted to become a midlevel. I guess there are probably NA schools offering alternative MSN options like maybe nursing management or nursing information systems .....no, forget it, I'd say bad plan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abner View Post
    I don't know myself. I suspect it is better for someone in nursing to obtain a degree that is also accredited by CCNE. The Aspen nursing degrees have that as an added bonus.
    The Ashworth program is in the applicant phase of CCNE accreditation. It will be interesting to see if they get it.

    As more NA schools obtain CCNE I'm curious how RA/CCNE schools will respond to their degrees. That will impact utility much more than the standard RA vs NA argument. If a DEAC/CCNE degree can get you into an RA/CCNE program then the capacity will be significantly higher than if not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neuhaus View Post
    The Ashworth program is in the applicant phase of CCNE accreditation. It will be interesting to see if they get it.

    As more NA schools obtain CCNE I'm curious how RA/CCNE schools will respond to their degrees. That will impact utility much more than the standard RA vs NA argument. If a DEAC/CCNE degree can get you into an RA/CCNE program then the capacity will be significantly higher than if not.
    Yeah, that will be interesting. On a side note. a few years ago, I somehow wound up in a nursing forum (I think I did a Aspen word search). From the little that I read, it seems that Aspen was mentioned in a favorable light and was being recommended as an affordable education option, and in some instances a way to move up the ladder.

    I believe Aspen was the first NA school to obtain CCNE accreditation. That happened under the watch of my good friend Dave Lady, ex President of Aspen. Good move. He always has been a trend setter and visionary.
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    Programmatic accreditation (CCNE and ACEN) and/or state board of nursing recognition are more important than institutional accreditation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sanantone View Post
    Programmatic accreditation (CCNE and ACEN) and/or state board of nursing recognition are more important than institutional accreditation.
    This is probably why Dave added CCNE, PMI and NAADAC to the Aspen's accreditation. His goal being on degree utility. He did not add the drug addiction and counseling program without being sure that NAADAC accreditation was secured, for example.
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    Nursing profession is in the middle of transition from ASN to BSN as entry-level credential, and this already seeps into job ads and requirements. Requirements on accreditation are not consistent state to state. Hence, I reckon there's a fair demand for a check-in-the-box RN to BSN programs from ASN nurses. Most of them will never go for midlevel. In this situation, Ashworth ' program might fit very nicely. In fact, this is the same niche all Ashworth programs fill - convenient, inexpensive, generic check-in-the-box degrees.
    For example, I got curious about Florida nursing education scene after abrupt closing of a for-profit college, Dade Medical College. Apparently due to relaxed regulatory regime, large percentage of Florida nursing students attend for-profits, some accredited by obscure USDOE-recognized organizations (like DMC was), some just state-approved. In the list of potential issues for such programs (expensive, low board passing rates, might not be recognized out of state, ability to bill Medicare...) access to future MSN programs is not even on the radar - yet they find their students. In this climate, a degree from Ashworth College can be a viable alternative to one from say Carlene Home Health School (not a dig - I know nothing about them except that they exist). Potentially cheaper, too. I can see situations where I might recommend this program. We know from experience that the courses are not likely to be below a certain basic level of quality. Of course, I already recommended an Ashworth program to a friend with hmm... mixed results, so YMMV.
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    One thing I don't understand... If a school is good enough to earn program accreditation (CCNE, PMI, etc), then why does it not go ahead and go for regional accreditation? I'm guessing that obtaining CCNE accreditation isn't easy. What am I missing?

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    1. Programmatic accreditation might be cheaper and quicker to obtain

    2. Raising the standards of one program is easier than raising the standards of the whole school

    When I taught at an NA for-profit, their nursing program had one of the best NCLEX pass rates in Texas. However, the rest of their programs were horrible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanislav View Post
    Most of them will never go for midlevel. In this situation,.
    Even if we had that kind of crystal ball.... I doubt Ashworth is telling them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abner View Post
    This is probably why Dave added CCNE, PMI and NAADAC to the Aspen's accreditation. His goal being on degree utility. He did not add the drug addiction and counseling program without being sure that NAADAC accreditation was secured, for example.
    And what is NAADAC?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Heiks View Post
    And what is NAADAC?
    It's an association for addiction professionals:

    NAADAC | The Association for Addiction Professionals

    National Association for Alcoholism and Drug Abuse Counselors (NAADAC)
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    Quote Originally Posted by cookderosa View Post
    Even if we had that kind of crystal ball.... I doubt Ashworth is telling them.
    Ashworth is cheaper by quite a bit than any alternative DL degree I know of. I think the value is there. If they pulled off CCNA and won't raise tuition much, tremendous value. Obviously, it is not the best solution for every student, probably not even for most.
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