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    TEKMAN is offline Semper Fi!
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    Doctorate in Nursing Online???

    Hi Everyone,

    It is another time I am sweeping through Google research on "Ph.D online." This time I realize that more Ph.D in Nursing poping up left to right. Is there any reason more Nursing Doctorates offer via distance learning than any other disciplines (possibly include Education )?


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    Supply and demand.

    Doctoral education for nurses is a hot topic right now. Plus, nurses make a good living and often work in places where tuition assistance benefits are robust.

    If the money and the demand went away, so would the ads.

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    Nurses work crazy shifts 7days a week and need non traditional pathways to earn an advanced degree! In addition, the powers that be want all nurse practitioner programs to be doctorate level by 2015.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delta View Post
    In addition, the powers that be want all nurse practitioner programs to be doctorate level by 2015.
    Do you happen to have a source for this? My wife is a nurse practitioner, and that's not what anyone is saying that we know of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich Douglas View Post
    Do you happen to have a source for this? My wife is a nurse practitioner, and that's not what anyone is saying that we know of.
    "AACN member institutions voted to move the current level of preparation necessary for advanced nursing practice from the master's degree to the doctorate level by the year 2015."

    American Association of Colleges of Nursing | Frequently Asked Questions

    If she is already a NP she will be "grandfathered"...or grandmothered! There are many schools already implementing Doctor of Nursing programs for new nurse practitioners and raising the clinical hours to a minimum of 1000 hours. There will probably be programs that refuse to go to the doctorate level and I am sure many programs will continue to offer "post master" NP programs. There is a lot of stink about it that's for sure!

    In addition, State legislation details the laws for licensing, so I don't anticipate them requiring a DNP for initial licensure in the near future but who knows?
    Last edited by Delta; 06-18-2013 at 08:23 PM.

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    Thanks, Delta.

    This is Diplomaism at its worst. The move to the DNP (from the master's) will not expand NP's scope of care, which is controlled by law. It's just more education nurses will need to take before being licensed to practice. Will the DNP make for better nurse practitioners? It's hard to say. Current programs do not advance the practice of NP very much.

    Another problem is more chicken-and-egg. It will take DNPs to make DNPs, and there aren't many. The solution? Pipeline master's-qualified NPs into DNP programs and then turn them around as faculty. That's the proposal, anyway. But none of that really advances the profession.

    And no matter what the AACN wants it is the states that determine whether or not NPs can practice, how they practice, and what they need to practice. My guess? It's 18 months until 2015. It ain't gonna happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich Douglas View Post
    Thanks, Delta.

    Will the DNP make for better nurse practitioners?

    The DNP program has double the clinical hours currently required for nurse practitioner programs which is a good thing! Unfortunately, it has a lot more what I call "Florence Nightingale" crap!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich Douglas View Post
    Thanks, Delta.

    It will take DNPs to make DNPs, and there aren't many. The solution? Pipeline master's-qualified NPs into DNP programs and then turn them around as faculty. That's the proposal, anyway. But none of that really advances the profession.
    As a FNP, I realized if I want to teach other NP's I need to get the new "terminal degree". There are many masters to DNP programs 30 to 45 credits in length. Many of the new programs are now approximately 9 semesters in length full-time requiring 80 to 90 graduate semester hours of credit. It really is a four degree and at best can be done in 3 1/2 years. It will certainly add to the student debt and will not add to the salary!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich Douglas View Post
    And no matter what the AACN wants it is the states that determine whether or not NPs can practice, how they practice, and what they need to practice.
    That statement is 100% true! I am relatively confident States will grandfather those of us who are already nurse practitioners. One thing that worries me is if I want to go to another State to practice and they change the laws for initial licensure! That happened to many "certificate" nurse practitioners with a BSN . They were able to keep their national certification and license in their state but when it comes to applying to other States, many of them now require a MSN ! I know that the national certification agencies will not require the DNP to take the board certification for NP's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delta View Post
    I know that the national certification agencies will not require the DNP to take the board certification for NP's.
    Let me rephrase that. National Credentialing programs will allow graduates of approved masters, DNP and post masters "Advance Practice Registered Nurse " programs to take the boards for their role, foci and specialty.


    The Consensus Model for APRN Regulation, Licensure, Accreditation, Certification and Education

    https://www.ncsbn.org/4213.htm

    and download
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